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Post by taylorguitars13 on Apr 4, 2006 18:49:02 GMT -7
I'm really having some troubling mic'ing my RXES 2x12 combo. I play weekly at my church youth group, and we're a pretty loud band already with around 10 members. My dad is a sound tech, and he is always telling me its too loud on stage (turned up around 2 on the Hi input). He has to blast the monitors for everyone else because of me, which results in the house mix being not as good. I tried putting the amp off stage with a mic, but I really missed the physical presence of it on stage. I tried to explain to him that you sort of have to play the amp just like you do the guitar, as an instrument. But he didn't really get it. lol. We've tried a variety of mic's, and found that the only one that even gets a hint of the true low end of the 2x12 is a shure Beta 52 kick drum mic. Even with that, the low end is still sucky. We've also tried combining the amp mic signal with a direct line from my pedal board, but that doesnt sound great either. Am i mic'ing wrong? Am i using the wrong mic? Why, no matter what is done on the soundboard, does the mic signal from the amp sound nothing like the true tone coming out of the amp? Please help if you can.
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Post by quinto on Apr 4, 2006 19:05:27 GMT -7
Hello. I also play at my church and have also run into the problem of being too loud onstage. We used to use a SM-57, But tired the Beta 57 that was purchased for saxophone duty. I ended up using that when available as it seemed to be more sensitive. This made it possible for me to turn down a bit. Since then I bought my own Sennheiser E609. This also seems to pick up a quieter signal better than the SM 57. As far as low end response goes I would think too much of that from a guitar amp would interfere with the bass, kick drum, and low piano notes and possibly make the overall lows more muddy. At least thats what we have had happen. Hope some of this helps!
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 5, 2006 9:15:18 GMT -7
Taylorguitars13: You sound like a candidate for an Air Brake! A click or two down can make a big difference in overall volume and it would certainly make the singers happier.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Apr 5, 2006 18:55:02 GMT -7
Z-Brake. I play noisy clubs and still use a Z-Brake... actually on the bedroom setting. Ditto what billyguitar states.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 5, 2006 21:32:27 GMT -7
AIR BREAK!! two or three clicks with my RX and It helps ALOT!!
also if you want a REAL GOOD MIC for guitar... and don't mind paying a bit more (it's worth every penny in my book)...
try the sennhieser MD-421...
it's a LARGE diaphragm DYNAMIC mic!! best dynamic mic I ever used on any guitar amp, other than using a condenser mic.... e609 would be cheaper and work well too... I always carry an SM-57 in my guitar bag... always works for me... kick drum mike would definitely muddy the mix.. MD-421 would give you great, tight bass.... big sound! reproduces the guitar very, very well...
sounds like you need an AIR BREAK though... and then a 57 might even work for ya... ;D
Jason
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Post by propellr on Apr 6, 2006 4:55:08 GMT -7
Try this: Turn it around backwards on stage. (You wouldn't believe how much sound is coming from the back of the amp). This will lower your stage volume a bit. If it's still too loud, get some plexiglass or some cardboard to place between your amp and you. Mic it in the front. This should work until your Z- Air Brake arrives. Try the low input as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2006 14:12:33 GMT -7
+1 on the Z-Brake Sennheiser 609 combo. Sweetwater has the 609 for $99!
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Post by sae2111 on Apr 24, 2006 20:58:22 GMT -7
I don't know if you've spent much time with different mic placements, but it can make a huge difference in the sound. Brighter sounds are going to be coming right from the center of the speaker, so if you've been micing there, you might try moving the mic out more towards the edge of the speaker. If you get a flashlight and hold it directly to the cloth you'll be able to see inside which will help with placement. Moving the mic back from the cab a bit might also help with this. Hope this helps.
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