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Post by wingwalker on Apr 3, 2006 15:03:25 GMT -7
Ok guys, I have seen 2 different style Dr. Z 2x12 cabs but only see 1 listed on the web site... There is a side by side 2x12 that looks a lot like a Bluesbreaker combo and there is the "classic" 2x12 that can sit over and under or side by side. Whats the deal...also are either or both or neither of those cabs a closed back? I went Z shopping today but the only Z dealer in town was out of 2x12's so I didn't get to try a Z cab If somebody could clear up the differences in cabs for m I would appreciate it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2006 15:07:44 GMT -7
Hi Wingwalker, Dr. Z has 2 different designs. One is a open back 2x12 cabinet(bluesbreakerish) and the other is the Z-best cabinet(classic). the Z-best is a thiele ported 2x12 tuned to 30hz and is a closed back cabinet. The Z-best is an awesome cabinet. HUGE sounding. Hope this helps.
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Post by wingwalker on Apr 3, 2006 16:18:58 GMT -7
Cool deal!
That is exactly what I needed to know...now if I could just decide on a head I'd be good!
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Post by Curt on Apr 3, 2006 18:36:10 GMT -7
tell us what ya play, and the sound your after and we'll see if we can help ya narrow it down. The Z-Best is an awesome cab, keep in mind it is very focused with lotZ of bottom.
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Post by wingwalker on Apr 4, 2006 6:36:38 GMT -7
tele62: Thanks for the offer to help!
I'm looking for something that has the best Marshall tone ever...the catch is that I have never been 100% happy with any Marshall I have ever owned. Not a heavy metal type tone but something with a nice early Plexi/metal front tone.
The tone from the first ZZ Top record (or just about any ZZ Top record for that matter) early Jeff Beck, Clapton with Cream and the Beano record, etc...
Just a nice thick growl thats still nice and articulate. I use Vintage style Gibsons and Fenders mostly all of them loaded with vintage style Duncan pickups.
I was thinking about a Route 66 but I tried one yesterday and to be honest it was pretty bright sounding (now, I did not get to try it through a Dr. Z cab...), in fact all the Dr. Z amps I tried were pretty bright.
Any help would be great...thanks again!
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Post by billyguitar on Apr 4, 2006 7:29:30 GMT -7
I think all Z amps can be bright, you're right about that. I think the ones with the cut control can tame that the best. I don't gig with the tone you're talking about but at home I like to play some Cream stuff. I turn the cut and treble almost off and there you are. Hit the front of the amp with some kind of boost and it's easy to get a good tone for early Clapton stuff. To me ZZ Top tone is a different thing.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Apr 4, 2006 7:36:47 GMT -7
I think all Z amps can be bright, you're right about that. I think the ones with the cut control can tame that the best. I don't gig with the tone you're talking about but at home I like to play some Cream stuff. I turn the cut and treble almost off and there you are. Hit the front of the amp with some kind of boost and it's easy to get a good tone for early Clapton stuff. To me ZZ Top tone is a different thing. I agree with billy on the ZZ Top tone. A few years back I had managed a great deal on a silver face Princeton Reverb. That particular model was only made one year - it had a footswitchable boost with a pull switch on the volume control. They only made it one year because the boost sounded TERRIBLE! I did some research and one guy suggested I get rid of the original boost circuit and just wire that pull switch to disconnect the tone stack from ground. So I tried it. When I lifted that tone stack, I was astonished to hear Billy Gibbons coming out of that little Princeton! Sounded just like his tone. I figure he did a lot of those early recordings with Deluxes that had a similar kind of mod. I also had the first Blues DeLuxe that Fender produced, and got to fiddling here with some THD Yellowjackets (lets you plug in a EL-84 where the 6L6's go). Once again, wide open and there was Billy Gibbons! I clearly think he's a Fender player, at least on his early recordings. He just hot rods them to get that tone.
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Post by wingwalker on Apr 4, 2006 8:48:54 GMT -7
Thanks guys.
I had a feeling I might have to just spend some more time with the Z's to find my tone. I think I need to try a Z-28 as well...I hear that of the 4 "short chassis" Z's that the Z-28 is the darkest one...is that right? I did like the KT-45 as it didn't seem to be quite as sharp on the top end...in fact I liked it a lot but it seemed to be a bit undefined when pushed and played with buckers...
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Post by Curt on Apr 4, 2006 19:30:56 GMT -7
Hey wing, Man , I think I posted this response on another thread for you but...
CRANKED Z/28 nails what your seeking IMO...everyone say's "Brown Fender Deluxe"...but to me, get all 3 knobs above 3:00, hit the front end with some 'buckers, maybe a lil boost of some kind if the pups are not real hot and Baammmmm......... "Brown Sugar, man it's gonna change your life..."
Dude, it is IN the Z/28, no question, if that too loud grab an Airbrake, still keeps the tone.
Curt
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Apr 5, 2006 6:24:54 GMT -7
Different speakers can tame some of the brightness... I'm tellin ya, try that Z-28 or the Route 66 through a Z-best!! I really like his open backs with Webers too... Had the SAME brightness problem and the Webers cured it! Overall, they are bright amps but with a good cab/ right speakers you should be able to get a good FAT sound out of them... and if you WANT they can still be bright but NOT harsh... The sounds your talkin about are in several of these amps rated at different wattage's/ various volume levels, for you to choose from... Jason
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