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Post by Greg G. on Mar 21, 2006 15:05:06 GMT -7
I've heard this term a number of times and was hoping some of you could give a definition/description of what "Cone Cry" actual means or refers to. I think I might be experiencing it with my Celestion G12H's, but I'm not sure. At higher volumes and especially with an overdrive or boost, B or high E strings near 12th fret, bent notes in particular (like the opening solo to "Little Wing") I'll get a weird overtone/harmonic thing, and not in a good way. Cone cry?
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 21, 2006 15:37:15 GMT -7
That's it exactly. You hear a dissonant tone under the fundemental but only on high notes. It drives me nuts! My Tone Tubby doesn't do it but every Celestion I've heard does. You can hear it in some old classic recordings with Hendrix and Clapton. It sounds good there but I can't handle it, very distracting.
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Post by zdogma on Mar 21, 2006 16:15:23 GMT -7
I think that is hard to engineer out of the celestions without changing the sound. The g12H is quite prone, but I don't find the blue nearly as bad (?alnico magnet better, maybe) Here's the weber description: www.webervst.com/spterm.html#conecryThe celestions are usually low wattage high SPL speakers, minimally doped, and I guess that's the issue. I find the Eminence versions of the celestions have less cone cry, I have notice both the governor (V30) and private jack (greenback) are much less prone, and could be a good alternative if you like the celestion sound, and want to save some $$$ vs. the tubbies.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 21, 2006 18:51:17 GMT -7
I'm not saying everyone has to have a Tubby. There are lots of good speakers, Eminence and Weber VST both come to mind. On a whim I bought the Tubby. I have to say though, I'm still impressed. A very full, rich sounding speaker, to my ear. If I hadn't bought the Tubby I'd be trying a Swamp Thang or a Tonker, or a Cannabis Rex! Whatever I have, cone cry is not allowed.
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Post by johnnyl on Mar 21, 2006 22:27:26 GMT -7
I agree zdogma. my Private Jack sounds almost dead-on like the greenback I was using + more wattage + much less cone cry (due to more doping on the cone). It's a great alternative. Now if I can just find the other perfect Eminence speaker to put in my Zbest before the Ghia arrives. I have a Lead 80 in there now but I don't think it's gonna be a good match...
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Post by zdogma on Mar 22, 2006 6:16:53 GMT -7
johnnie L - of the emi speakers, the Redfang is my favorite with the ghia. I use a 112 cab. Maybe a redfang with a g12h or wizard for more bottom end tightness?
No disrespect intended to the tonetubbies, billyguitar. I haven't tried them yet, so I can't really comment one way or the other, though I like the sounds that Clapton and Santana get with them.
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Post by billyguitar on Mar 22, 2006 8:40:29 GMT -7
No offence taken whatsoever. I'm no 'smite bunny' so we can always debate openly!
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 22, 2006 8:54:37 GMT -7
Yeah i always called it the cellophane typewriter sound, to quote Mr. Hendrix. I dont know what it is about the celestions i think its just a hallmark of there cone/dust covers, sounds great "sometimes". I've been piping up about the eminence 121 in my Earcandy 1-12, sounds awesome and Tim is THE man to talk to about all things Eminence.
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Post by Greg G. on Mar 22, 2006 9:32:38 GMT -7
Thanks for chiming in with all the helpful info. I've been wanting to change out my speakers for a while, debating on either a Weber Blue/Silver Bell combo or the Tonker/Swamp Thing combo that everyone's talking about. Two totally different sounds, just gotta decide which one go after, and hopefully get rid of cone cry at the same time.
-Greg
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Post by real oldster on Mar 22, 2006 10:29:12 GMT -7
When I was little I got a double scoop of Rocky Road ice cream for a dime. (This was a long time ago). I sat on a step enjoying my treasure when a huge dog jumped on me, knocking my ice cream to the ground. He devoured both scoops in about two seconds. That was the first time I experienced the heartbreak of cone cry.
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Post by James on Mar 22, 2006 10:42:21 GMT -7
I guess I am confused as to why the doc would offer the g12h his maz 1 x 12 combo........if they have problems...........
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Post by zdogma on Mar 22, 2006 11:20:04 GMT -7
Lots of folks love celestions. Cone cry or not they are quite distinctive sounding, and have been the standard for many years.
Oldster - ;D
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Post by Telemanic on Mar 22, 2006 11:50:02 GMT -7
Yes, Yes, i agree. I don't feel Celestions have any PROBLEMS at all. ( i suppose you can debate english vs. chinese ) The g12h 30 is IMO a great speaker in the right amp/cab, and thats the thing there that makes it tough, there is so many variables to ending up with THE sound. Not to mention it's ALL subjective right? Anyway, Celestion Has a big chunk of the history of rock and roll!! I look at it this way, start by deciding if your looking for that brittish "mid bark" repleat with the Cellophane harmonic haze, or for a more traditional American type of tone ( think great fender). From there you can adjust your choice wether or not you want it brighter or more bottom heavy or more or less mids. I certainly dont claim any expertise, but this has been a successful chain of logic for me in my search.
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