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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 2, 2006 14:16:22 GMT -7
I need some expert opinions on Weber Blue Dogs. I'm currently using an Emi Tonker and Swamp Thang with my Maz & Ghia. Both are clean, loud and in-your-face speakers. I was thinking about trying out a Blue Dog ceramic in a 1x12 cab with the Ghia. I'm looking for a speaker for early breakup with the Ghia at low volumes. Also desire some chime and openness in the mids with decent lows and a little softer sounding. Two other speakers I'm familiar with are the Celestion G12H & Vintage 30. The G12H breaks up earlier than the Emis, but it sounds a little nasal/honky to me. Vintage 30s sound too thick & colored in the mids.
Can anybody compare the sound of the Blue Dog to these 4 different speakers please? I still love the Emis....just looking for another flavor to keep on hand.
What is the sensitivity rating of the Webers...I can't find any specs on his website.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 2, 2006 14:23:27 GMT -7
If you can wait about a week I can give you some impressions - I have two on the way for my Mazerati. I could probably even do a V30 (before) to Blue Dog (after) recording...
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 3, 2006 6:53:25 GMT -7
If you can wait about a week I can give you some impressions - I have two on the way for my Mazerati. I could probably even do a V30 (before) to Blue Dog (after) recording... Yea benttop...I can wait...I'm in no rush. A recording would be great. Thanks a million! I see a karma comming your way. Anyone else have an opinion on the Blue Dogs?
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Post by Curt on Feb 3, 2006 7:43:35 GMT -7
No, But I'll be watcvhin' for Benttops review as well. Been playing my ghia and Z/28 through V-30 and would like a lower Db, earlier break up, lower volume option too.
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Post by StrangeC on Feb 3, 2006 9:27:02 GMT -7
tele- I wanted the earlier breakup/lower volum for my Ghia w/ V30. I went with the Greenback and have been happy. Its just a tad quieter and breaks up a bit 'fuzzier' in a pleasing way. Basically, its kind of a Marshally sort of sound.
Also, a lot of people worry about losing bass w the GB. I did becasue the V30 is pretty fat that way. In reality, I find the GB sounds full and ballanced without a preponderance of bass and in a band setting actually sounds better. When I play alone I find my tone knob up around 2:00 whereas live, I find myself backing it off to around 12:00 to add in more highs.
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Post by JChance on Feb 3, 2006 9:53:18 GMT -7
The Blue Dog closest to a Greenback is the 30 watt, ceramic version. IMO, a perfect match for a Ghia is you want the "softer" tone. Check out the "sounds" forum, as I have posted some clips using the Blue Dog with a MAZ Sr. or, if you go to the Blue Dog model on the Weber site, you can hear that speaker with a Strat. To me, the Blue has a woody, soft midrange like a Greenback, with just enough chime and smooth low end. Should match up well if you want some good "sponge" with the Ghia. For an even softer attack, go alnico. Along the same lines, the Emi Red Fang looks cool as well, and might also be a good choice for your Ghia for what you are looking for.
JC
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 3, 2006 10:04:48 GMT -7
Are the Blue Dogs less or more efficient than the GBs? How fast do they break up compared to the GBs? How is the lowend compared to the GBs?
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Post by Bill on Feb 3, 2006 10:39:01 GMT -7
Are the Blue Dogs less or more efficient than the GBs? How fast do they break up compared to the GBs? How is the lowend compared to the GBs? The Bluedog is more efficient than a GB, but less than a Tonker...a nice middle ground. My clip "Lyles Blues" is an alnico 50w Bluedog, but the amp volume is pretty low, so any drive is due to the Zendrive. On the clip towards the end, you can hear the strong bottom of the bluedog. It's a really nice speaker, one of my favorites.
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 3, 2006 12:55:49 GMT -7
Madison....very nice playing and superb tone! Is the rhythm part also through the same amp & Blue Dog? It has so much chime, it sounds like it's a Celestion Blue. Is that a Tele on both tracks? Hos would you rate the Blue Dog's break up? Fast, medium or slow?
You get a Karma for such tasty tone!
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 3, 2006 13:09:30 GMT -7
The Blue Dog closest to a Greenback is the 30 watt, ceramic version. IMO, a perfect match for a Ghia is you want the "softer" tone. Check out the "sounds" forum, as I have posted some clips using the Blue Dog with a MAZ Sr. or, if you go to the Blue Dog model on the Weber site, you can hear that speaker with a Strat. To me, the Blue has a woody, soft midrange like a Greenback, with just enough chime and smooth low end. Should match up well if you want some good "sponge" with the Ghia. For an even softer attack, go alnico. Along the same lines, the Emi Red Fang looks cool as well, and might also be a good choice for your Ghia for what you are looking for. JC Great tone & plyaing man. S-W-E-E-T! how quickly does the Blue Dog ceramic break up? I'd like to get some break up on a Ghia with a Strat around 8 to 9 O'clock. Some Karma to you also.
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Post by Bill on Feb 3, 2006 14:13:32 GMT -7
Madison....very nice playing and superb tone! Is the rhythm part also through the same amp & Blue Dog? It has so much chime, it sounds like it's a Celestion Blue. Is that a Tele on both tracks? Hos would you rate the Blue Dog's break up? Fast, medium or slow? You get a Karma for such tasty tone! Thanks guitarman Yes, all the clips but one is a Fender Am Deluxe Tele...b bender is a Tom Anderson. The rhythm is straight into the RxES with a single Blue Dog, and the Zendrive was kicked in for the solo. The alnico version, I'm assuming, breaks up quicker than the ceramic. It is perfect for a small club using moderate volume. The breakup point I'd rate at medium with amp volume at noon. A nice bit of compression when you hit it hard, again, a good thing while trying to maintain moderate levels. It takes 5 min to switch out a speaker so I'm constantly going from the Bluedog to the Tonker and back...a considerably different sounding and feeling speaker. I put the Tonker in last night seeing as the "Jam" is tomorrow and there will be quite a few amps in the room! ;D
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Post by JChance on Feb 3, 2006 14:25:18 GMT -7
The Blue Dog closest to a Greenback is the 30 watt, ceramic version. IMO, a perfect match for a Ghia is you want the "softer" tone. Check out the "sounds" forum, as I have posted some clips using the Blue Dog with a MAZ Sr. or, if you go to the Blue Dog model on the Weber site, you can hear that speaker with a Strat. To me, the Blue has a woody, soft midrange like a Greenback, with just enough chime and smooth low end. Should match up well if you want some good "sponge" with the Ghia. For an even softer attack, go alnico. Along the same lines, the Emi Red Fang looks cool as well, and might also be a good choice for your Ghia for what you are looking for. JC Great tone & plyaing man. S-W-E-E-T! how quickly does the Blue Dog ceramic break up? I'd like to get some break up on a Ghia with a Strat around 8 to 9 O'clock. Some Karma to you also. Thanks for da Karma, dude! As far as breakup, my Blue/Silver were breaking up a bit early for my tastes with the MAZ 38. So I sent them back to Ted for a re-cone to 50 watt versions with a bit more doping ("moderate" instead of "Light"). Keep in mind, my amps are generaly played loud, so the 30 watt versions should be plenty "lively" with your Ghia. But, if you want them to start giving in as early as 8:00 or 9:00, then you might even want to go with the 15 watt'ers. They'll hold up fine in the Ghia unless you are pushing the amp to it's max a lot. JC
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 6, 2006 15:03:32 GMT -7
OK guys......I bit the bullet and ordered a 30 watt, 8 ohm, lightly doped Weber Blue Dog for my Ghia. Two weeks and I should have it. I hope you guys are satisfied.....
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Post by bluzsteel on Feb 13, 2006 8:07:40 GMT -7
you get ceramic or Alnico?
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Post by JChance on Feb 13, 2006 8:11:55 GMT -7
OK guys......I bit the bullet and ordered a 30 watt, 8 ohm, lightly doped Weber Blue Dog for my Ghia. Two weeks and I should have it. I hope you guys are satisfied..... I just got my Blue/Silver back from Ted after a re-cone. Went from 30 watts/light dope to 50 watts/ moderate dope. My theory is that they will hold up better and maybe slightly darker while still retaining the ceramic punch. At 30 watts with light dope, they got a little too edgey when the amp was really being pushed (like at 2 or 3 o'clock on the volume with the master dimed.) I'll post some results after breaking them in at some gigs this week- JC
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Post by guitarman1 on Feb 14, 2006 8:18:11 GMT -7
you get ceramic or Alnico? Ceramic.
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 14, 2006 8:26:02 GMT -7
Just found out I'll get my two ceramic Blue Dogs on Thursday - three weeks since I ordered! I'm looking forward to shoehorning those in before our gig on Friday, so I may have some feedback by Saturday...
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Post by Bill on Feb 14, 2006 8:34:01 GMT -7
Just found out I'll get my two ceramic Blue Dogs on Thursday - three weeks since I ordered! I'm looking forward to shoehorning those in before our gig on Friday, so I may have some feedback by Saturday... Think you'll like those. My alnicos are sweet, just not as open and "in your face" as the ceramics. I would think a substantial improvement over the V30's, which I believe you have now. Just get a couple gigs in to break 'em in good ;D
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Post by benttop (Steve) on Feb 14, 2006 10:02:56 GMT -7
Just found out I'll get my two ceramic Blue Dogs on Thursday - three weeks since I ordered! I'm looking forward to shoehorning those in before our gig on Friday, so I may have some feedback by Saturday... Think you'll like those. My alnicos are sweet, just not as open and "in your face" as the ceramics. I would think a substantial improvement over the V30's, which I believe you have now. Just get a couple gigs in to break 'em in good ;D Shouldn't be a problem - I'm booked solid every weekend till April, so they're going to get a workout right away.
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Post by terryg on Feb 28, 2006 10:14:45 GMT -7
I think you guys just sold a speaker to me. Alnico Blue Dog for the Ghia. I'm going to try to pick it up and install it tonight before rehearsal!
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Post by terryg on Mar 2, 2006 16:11:47 GMT -7
Hey everyone...I'm not a Blue Dog expert (tho' I'm sometimes blue, sometimes a dog)...but this speaker is a winner for me with my Ghia! Alnico, 30W, no dope (I should check that again), in one of those mesa 1x12 cabs with the half-open back. I am happy, and the ghia was seriously bonding hard with the cab.
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Post by Curt on Mar 2, 2006 19:00:55 GMT -7
damn it...I wanna play !!!!
Ev'r body's goy wun butZ meeee !!!!
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Post by terryg on Mar 5, 2006 20:54:44 GMT -7
this speaker is sooo warm I need that up here in Chicago. It snowed all day.
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Post by Tom the Guitar Guy on Mar 11, 2006 11:38:27 GMT -7
So how do you think a pairing of the Ceramic 30 Blue Dog and a Greenback will sound in a 2x12 RxES combo?
Thanks!
tomtheguitarguy
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Post by JChance on Mar 11, 2006 13:33:08 GMT -7
So how do you think a pairing of the Ceramic 30 Blue Dog and a Greenback will sound in a 2x12 RxES combo? Thanks! tomtheguitarguy Should sound great, as the 30 watt ceramic Blue Dog is Ted's "Greenback." You'd essentially have two Greenbacks. Although, The Weber is slightly darker while the Celestion is a bit more "woody" (of course.) Would probably be a killer combo in the RXES. J
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Post by Tom the Guitar Guy on Mar 11, 2006 16:01:36 GMT -7
Should sound great, as the 30 watt ceramic Blue Dog is Ted's "Greenback." You'd essentially have two Greenbacks. Although, The Weber is slightly darker while the Celestion is a bit more "woody" (of course.) Would probably be a killer combo in the RXES. J I have a Blue Dog coming to replace one of the Greenbacks in my 2x12. I'm hoping they're not too similar - I didn't know that the Blue Dog was Ted's Greenback. The two Greenbacks in there now sound pretty nice. At least I'm 1/2 way there to the Silver/Blue combination. tomtheguitarguy
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Post by JChance on Mar 12, 2006 19:18:15 GMT -7
Should sound great, as the 30 watt ceramic Blue Dog is Ted's "Greenback." You'd essentially have two Greenbacks. Although, The Weber is slightly darker while the Celestion is a bit more "woody" (of course.) Would probably be a killer combo in the RXES. J I have a Blue Dog coming to replace one of the Greenbacks in my 2x12. I'm hoping they're not too similar - I didn't know that the Blue Dog was Ted's Greenback. The two Greenbacks in there now sound pretty nice. At least I'm 1/2 way there to the Silver/Blue combination. tomtheguitarguy Yep, that's what Ted told me. But, the Blue Dog has an advantage in the bottom end department. Might be a touch louder/more efficient as well. Ted said he doesn't have a specific "Greenback" model, and that the 30 watt ceramic Blue Dog was basically it. JC
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Post by Tom the Guitar Guy on Mar 17, 2006 11:59:44 GMT -7
Cool. I repost when I get it installed and crankin'.
Thanks for the help.
tomtheguitarguy
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