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Post by bukowski on Dec 29, 2005 8:08:24 GMT -7
I know this has been talked about alot ,but I need to soften /darken my zbest v30 g12h cab .So this is what I'm thinkin (can't you see the smoke}putting a blue dog 50 watt paired with the g12h mixing the alinico with the ceramic in a closed back cab would give me some alinico compression grind ,and soften the highs ,and I would still have the ceramic clarity and bottom end punch I've also considered webers beam blockers anybody try these?any comments with other speakers would be greatly apprieciated ....I primarly play a tele thru a ghia or rati
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Post by Bill on Dec 29, 2005 8:42:21 GMT -7
Sounds like a good plan. Put the alnico Weber up, the G12H low. An alnico Silver Bell would be interesting matched with the G12H too.
I know a lot of players like the beam blockers, but they didn't do it for me. Seemed to take all the highs away and stifled the speaker, I'd rather just manually dial out some shrill with knobs. I sold a cabinet a couple months ago and just threw the beam blocker in the box with the cab and shipped it off.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 29, 2005 20:38:24 GMT -7
Since I bbought my Z Best in July I went from GB/G12H30 G12H30/G12H30 G12H30/Red Fang 2 Texas Heats 2 G12H30's GB/G12H30 GB/Tone Tubby.
There is absolutely no method to my madness. Every combination sounded good, I think I prefered the RF/G12H30 aand the Texas Heats so far. The Heats are deep sounding speakers with just enough zing on the top.
I just got the TT today and am just about to put it in the cab in a minute. I'm interested to see what it does to the cab
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Dec 29, 2005 22:33:31 GMT -7
"Sounds like a good plan. Put the alnico Weber up, the G12H low. An alnico Silver Bell would be interesting matched with the G12H too."
I called Mr Webber yesterday and am about to order silver/blue ceramics for my open back..... and
I'm getting either the 50 watt ceramic or alnico silver to go with my G12H30 in my Z Best???
So I'm thinking of the same thing you are.....JChance recommended the silverbell in either the ceramic or alnico.... I'm also thinkin this way by his and Mr Webbers comments..... the silver will be a little different than the G12 (smoother/ warmer as the G12's tighter/ punchy)
.... I just can't decide between the ceramic or alnico....and it's not the $$$.....BUT I think I'm gonna go ahead and get the alnico silver.
probably be very similar to the G12H30/ Tone Tubby combo Laroosco's tryin out... let us know how that combo works out....might help me pull the right trigger.
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Post by johnnyl on Dec 29, 2005 22:57:02 GMT -7
Call me crazy but I've got a Lead 80 in the bottom and a private jack up top in my Zbest. I'm diggn it. The g12h/v30 combo was not a good match w/ my SRZ at all. I needed more headroom and less boominess. The SRZ is more on the darker side so I think it needs a brighter speaker combo to make it shine.
I went from (left is bottom): g12h30/V30 - g12h30 is low-mid boomy to my ears V30/Greenback - pretty cool (a 4X12 of GB's w/ the SRZ would ROCK...) Private Jack (50 watt Eminence GB)/Greenback - awesome for dirty tones V30/Private Jack - got tired of nasally V30 current setup - Lead 80/PJ - just right clean & dirty
everyone's got different ears though...
Johnny
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Dec 29, 2005 23:20:21 GMT -7
Ahhh....your not crazy.....I have Lead 80's in my open back, I have always liked them......great speakers and they sound good with the RX but just a little too bright with my MAZ 38....different amps...big difference!
also...I use all maple neck (brighter) guitars so I have to be carfull on the high end.....
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Post by johnnyl on Dec 29, 2005 23:32:10 GMT -7
Sweet...
I bet that open back sounds good. might have to get one.. hmm..
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Post by m1911 on Dec 30, 2005 5:58:57 GMT -7
I think the easiest thing to do is replace the Vintage 30 with a Greenback. For a bit more trouble, you could try two Greenbacks....even the newer Heritage models....or....you could do what I did.... Put 2 two Tone Tubby Original H1's in. The Z-Bests here are used with MAZ Juniors or Seniors.....and MAN these Tubbies are warm and smooth....yet handle all the high-end and wattage you can pour into them. Mark
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Post by bukowski on Dec 30, 2005 8:06:56 GMT -7
Sounds like a good plan. Put the alnico Weber up, the G12H low. An alnico Silver Bell would be interesting matched with the G12H too. I know a lot of players like the beam blockers, but they didn't do it for me. Seemed to take all the highs away and stifled the speaker, I'd rather just manually dial out some shrill with knobs. I sold a cabinet a couple months ago and just threw the beam blocker in the box with the cab and shipped it off. ya I've been eyeballing and researching them silvers(alinico and ceramic) as well the beam blockers are cheap enough to try if they work great if not at least I have the piece of mind knowing I've tried them
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Post by bukowski on Dec 30, 2005 8:09:04 GMT -7
Since I bbought my Z Best in July I went from GB/G12H30 G12H30/G12H30 G12H30/Red Fang 2 Texas Heats 2 G12H30's GB/G12H30 GB/Tone Tubby. There is absolutely no method to my madness. Every combination sounded good, I think I prefered the RF/G12H30 aand the Texas Heats so far. The Heats are deep sounding speakers with just enough zing on the top. I just got the TT today and am just about to put it in the cab in a minute. I'm interested to see what it does to the cab keep us posted been checking out the tonetubbies as well but the extra $ has been keeping me shy
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Post by bukowski on Dec 30, 2005 8:12:50 GMT -7
" Sounds like a good plan. Put the alnico Weber up, the G12H low. An alnico Silver Bell would be interesting matched with the G12H too." I called Mr Webber yesterday and am about to order silver/blue ceramics for my open back..... andI'm getting either the 50 watt ceramic or alnico silver to go with my G12H30 in my Z Best??? So I'm thinking of the same thing you are.....JChance recommended the silverbell in either the ceramic or alnico.... I'm also thinkin this way by his and Mr Webbers comments..... the silver will be a little different than the G12 ( smoother/ warmer as the G12's tighter/ punchy) .... I just can't decide between the ceramic or alnico....and it's not the $$$.....BUT I think I'm gonna go ahead and get the alnico silver. probably be very similar to the G12H30/ Tone Tubby combo Laroosco's tryin out... let us know how that combo works out....might help me pull the right trigger. I'm really thinking the silver alinico with the g12h as well there is also the 1265 silver I was looking at I think thats what its called its got the bigger dust cap and difusies highend frequency better ? anybody check those out?
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 30, 2005 8:45:01 GMT -7
Since I bbought my Z Best in July I went from GB/G12H30 G12H30/G12H30 G12H30/Red Fang 2 Texas Heats 2 G12H30's GB/G12H30 GB/Tone Tubby. There is absolutely no method to my madness. Every combination sounded good, I think I prefered the RF/G12H30 aand the Texas Heats so far. The Heats are deep sounding speakers with just enough zing on the top. I just got the TT today and am just about to put it in the cab in a minute. I'm interested to see what it does to the cab keep us posted been checking out the tonetubbies as well but the extra $ has been keeping me shy I bought the Ceramic for the Z Best so it wasn't a ton of money like the AlNiCo's It's an interesting speaker so far. It sounded a little midrangey to me at first but it was probably due to the fact i was playing a Tele through it. I'm gonnna get my Strat going through it later today and see how it sounds. It seems much different than the G12H30 for sure. All the shrill top end is gone now.We'll see how it goes once it gets broken in
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Post by Bill on Dec 30, 2005 9:46:40 GMT -7
When it comes to speakers I think we're all a little crazy, but that's okay My latest crazy move was listening to my 2x12 with alnico blue/silver SEPARATELY...and prefering (at least for the moment) the silver over the blue. So I moved the silver into my 1x12 cab and am loading another blue into the 2x12. Who knows, by tomorrow it all could be moved around again. For those looking at the s/b Webers, they are both great sounding speakers. Haven't tried the ceramics, but will someday.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Dec 30, 2005 17:35:45 GMT -7
Ordered 3 Webbers (50 watts each..... 1 silver/ ceramic, 1 blue/ ceramic, 1 silver/ alnico) today.......
.....will put the s/b ceramics in the open back and the alnico silver is going in the Z-best (on top with the G12H30 staying on the bottom). may take a week or so to get them.....
I'd still like to try a tone tubby hemp cone....maybe put one in my Z 1x12 cab..... but dang they're exspensive...
" My latest crazy move was listening to my 2x12 with alnico blue/silver SEPARATELY "
madison...I did the same thing you did with a bunch of my speakers to really see which ones I liked...thats how I found out the sound I liked coming out of the Z-best was the G12H30 but not so much the Vintage 30.....
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Post by Laroosco!! on Dec 30, 2005 17:49:20 GMT -7
My Ceramic Tone Tubby cosst me $115.
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Post by hdahs143 on Dec 30, 2005 23:41:38 GMT -7
I think I'm going to try the the 50W Blue Dog Alnico to match up with the G12H30 in my Zbest. If this works out great! I like the g12, but really want to hear the alnico. I can always get the silver bell later if it's not quite what I want. But at $170.00 each, I'll try one at a time ;D
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Post by bukowski on Dec 31, 2005 9:07:53 GMT -7
Ordered 3 Webbers ( 50 watts each..... 1 silver/ ceramic, 1 blue/ ceramic, 1 silver/ alnico) today....... .....will put the s/b ceramics in the open back and the alnico silver is going in the Z-best (on top with the G12H30 staying on the bottom). may take a week or so to get them..... I'd still like to try a tone tubby hemp cone....maybe put one in my Z 1x12 cab..... but dang they're exspensive... " My latest crazy move was listening to my 2x12 with alnico blue/silver SEPARATELY "madison...I did the same thing you did with a bunch of my speakers to really see which ones I liked...thats how I found out the sound I liked coming out of the Z-best was the G12H30 but not so much the Vintage 30..... thats what I've decieded to try with my zbest weber silver alinico on top and g12h on bottom 50 watts .Did you go with any doping? and please keep us posted
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Dec 31, 2005 9:56:29 GMT -7
"thats what I've decieded to try with my zbest weber silver alinico on top and g12h on bottom 50 watts .Did you go with any doping? and please keep us posted "I got Light dope.... spoke w/ mr Webber and told him it would be used in a Z-Best and possible very loud sound levels....and he said light dope....I did ask about moderate dope and he said light dope should be fine. I'll let ya know how it sounds...also how the ceramics sound....I think they're gonna be great. "I can always get the silver bell later if it's not quite what I want. But at $170.00 each, I'll try one at a time" also my plan w/ the alnico silver, if if don't like or would rather have a different speaker in the Z-best.... I'll get a blue later and pair it with the silver i've already got in another open back cab.... would give me the option a 2X12= Zbest closed back, or 2x12 open back w/ ceramic B/S, or 2X12 open back w/ alnico B/S.... .........COOOOL!!
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Post by bukowski on Dec 31, 2005 13:42:25 GMT -7
"thats what I've decieded to try with my zbest weber silver alinico on top and g12h on bottom 50 watts .Did you go with any doping? and please keep us posted "I got Light dope.... spoke w/ mr Webber and told him it would be used in a Z-Best and possible very loud sound levels....and he said light dope....I did ask about moderate dope and he said light dope should be fine. I'll let ya know how it sounds...also how the ceramics sound....I think they're gonna be great. "I can always get the silver bell later if it's not quite what I want. But at $170.00 each, I'll try one at a time" also my plan w/ the alnico silver, if if don't like or would rather have a different speaker in the Z-best.... I'll get a blue later and pair it with the silver i've already got in another open back cab.... would give me the option a 2X12= Zbest closed back, or 2x12 open back w/ ceramic B/S, or 2X12 open back w/ alnico B/S.... .........COOOOL!! holy crap I would say your so covered in the cabinet department cool
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Post by bukowski on Jan 2, 2006 14:38:45 GMT -7
just ordered the silver bell alinico to pair with the g12h celestion in my zbest anybody no what shipping is like with ted these days?
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Post by janinedoubly on Jan 2, 2006 19:32:18 GMT -7
I would suggest trying the new Celestion Heritage speakers in a Z best. Put one of the 75hz G12M's and a 55hz G12H in it. I know, I know these speakers are expensive, but MAN, if Celestion didn't nail these things. Worth every penny. They are nice and rich, without losing all of the top end response. They just seem to attenuate the top end nicely, while having tons of creamy midrange. Plus, they are less efficient (about 96 db), so they will not get as loud or as edgy as the standard Greenback re-issues and G-12-H's. Every cab I have heard these new speakers in has sounded incredible.
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Post by bluzsteel on Jan 10, 2006 5:40:34 GMT -7
any of you guys tried the Tonker?, I know Robbin Ford has these in a Z best ....I was was told that anyway. when I get my Best thats whats going in it, love the Tonker in my other cabs
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Post by bukowski on Jan 12, 2006 11:59:53 GMT -7
any of you guys tried the Tonker?, I know Robbin Ford has these in a Z best ....I was was told that anyway. when I get my Best thats whats going in it, love the Tonker in my other cabs no bluz not yet ,how would you compare it to a celestion h30?
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Post by bukowski on Jan 12, 2006 12:10:09 GMT -7
just ordered the silver bell alinico to pair with the g12h celestion in my zbest anybody no what shipping is like with ted these days? well I just got the silverbell this morning and popped her in the zbest with the h30 on the bottom I've only used my carmen ghia so far (well use the rati later ) and my first impressions are I like it! I know it still needs to break in ,so it should just get better , I still may get some beam blockers to try but I'm thinkin once the silverbell breaks in more the highs well soften a little ,Im gettin a little alinico compressed grind mixed in with the tight thump"of the ceramic h30 which is what I want a little loser feel and tame the top end well its to early to tell fo sure
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