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Post by StrangeC on Nov 11, 2005 23:28:33 GMT -7
As I understand it, there are the two speakers out of the Z Best and are both well thought of speakers... My question is what are the real differences and why/when do you prefer which? For consistency, let's say you got a Ghia 1x12 combo and can only pick one...
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Post by GuitarZ on Nov 12, 2005 5:04:47 GMT -7
While you're waiting for replies from folks that have used both speakers, I haven't, check out this web site from a German Music company. They provide you with quick clips for the various Celestion speakers using a Strat and a Les Paul. You know that they have good taste since their amp is a Maz Jr. www.proguitar.de The "Audio Demos" button on the left hand side of the web page will move you towards the speaker demos. I'm a Greenback fan myself. I love its characteristic woody/middy sound along with its full bottom in my Maz Jr combo. However, the audio demos got me to thinking that my next speaker would be a Vintage 12 which is what i got last night in a new Randall Isolation cab. I'll start a new thread once I get the Iso-Cab mic'd up and recorded.
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Post by Bill on Nov 14, 2005 7:39:53 GMT -7
The ZBest is a loud cabinet with the standard V30/ G12H. You can tame it by keeping the H on the bottom to carry the bass response, and put a weaker speaker up top. For awhile I had two Greenbacks in mine (a doc Z fav setup), ended up with a Green/V30 to put a little thump back in.
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Post by billyguitar on Nov 14, 2005 15:15:54 GMT -7
I went to that proguitar site. That's actually helpful and it confirms what I always thought I was hearing in a V30. I'm not crazy about that high mid thing the V30 does. I like more neutral speakers.
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Post by hdahs143 on Nov 22, 2005 22:34:33 GMT -7
I went to that proguitar site. That's actually helpful and it confirms what I always thought I was hearing in a V30. I'm not crazy about that high mid thing the V30 does. I like more neutral speakers. I noticed that "nasally" thing myself. I"m currently exploring some different options
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Post by StrangeC on Dec 1, 2005 12:41:22 GMT -7
The clips are interesting, but my laptop leaves a bit to be desired in terms of evaluating amp speakers wiitt. Anyone tried a V30 and G12H side by side live and can elaborate on the differences? Both seem to have their fans with some claiming the V30 is the perfect Ghia speaker.
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Post by billyguitar on Dec 1, 2005 14:15:57 GMT -7
The G12H30 is definitely a more neutral speaker. The V30 has it's own thing going on, that high nasal frequency peak. That might compliment your amp. Personally I want a speaker to be more of a reproducer and less of an instrument itself.
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Dec 3, 2005 18:10:05 GMT -7
I'd agree that the H30 is more neutral than a V30, but I also think that the V30 really compliments the Ghia's tone control sweep, voicing, and overall character. Further, I think if you really want a neutral speaker, any of the popular Celestions are not necessarily the best choice as they all impart a pretty good amount of character into your tone... Even the H30. I just happen to really love that Celestion character myself! ;D
To me, a speaker is a valuable part of the overall tonal equation though, which is already greatly simplified by the Ghia's no-frills design, so you should definitely experiment to find out what you like best for your tastes with your rig.
Speakers are relatively inexpensive, and the experiments won't cost you anything more than shipping if you buy used and sell of whatever doesn't work for you... plus that way the speakers are at least partially broken in when they show up at your door, that way you're getting a more accurate look of how they're really going to sound after they start to accumulate some hours on them.
Good luck and have fun if you decide to do some experimenting! I think you'll find it rewarding, addicting, and satisfying.
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Post by telefunken on Dec 4, 2005 22:51:28 GMT -7
Do you guys find that the G12h sparkles like the Vintage 30?
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Post by G'OlPeachPhan on Dec 13, 2005 8:07:54 GMT -7
They both sparkle, but the V30 has a slightly more emphasized and blurry sounding upper midrange, whereas the H30 has a more articulate and relaxed upper mid with a slightly more emphasized lower midrange and tighter bass.
I think all the most popular Celestions - the V30, the H30, the Greenback, and the Blue all have good sparkle, BUT --
- All four of these speakers have different voicings through the midrange
- The Greenback and the Blue break up a little more and a little earlier, and both have a looser bottom end... The Greenback's transition into breakup is also a little more abrupt and aggressive than the Blue
- Of the two aforementioned, the Blue being Alnico compresses more than the ceramic Greenback
- The H30 and the V30 have a bit more headroom, and both have a tighter bottom end than either the Greenback or the Blue. The H30 and V30 both also have bigger magnets, and while you can still get some good speaker breakup from both of them, you have to push them harder to get to it.
So that's kind of a long answer to your question, but if it's sparkle you seek, I think you'd be happy with any of those four Celestions, as that's kind of a characteristic of all of them. Don't get me wrong, they all do very different things, but to me they have the "sparkle" in common.
I may be wrong. ;D
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Post by StrangeC on Dec 17, 2005 17:49:52 GMT -7
In order to reduce the volume of my Ghia at times I'm looking to swap the V30 with a less efficient speaker. The G12M Greenback seems the only choice from Celestion, but I're a little worried about its bottom end. Weber?....
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Post by johnnyl on Dec 18, 2005 1:08:26 GMT -7
rick, you might also consider an Eminence Private Jack. It's essentially a 50 watt greenback copy. It doesn't fart out in my Zbest when playing through my SRZ65 head so it should handle the Ghia just fine. just my 2 cents...
johnny
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Post by telefunken on Dec 24, 2005 2:05:54 GMT -7
Hey Peach, thanks for that explanation, It helps a lot!!!
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Post by svetlana87 on Dec 28, 2005 16:03:59 GMT -7
the v30 will have a tighter bottom than the green's. But again, they do have that bright mid boost which i personally like I think the G12-H30 might be more up your alley
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Post by StrangeC on Dec 29, 2005 11:53:36 GMT -7
The G12H30 probably would be ideal vs the V30, except it shares the same 100dB sensitivity so it wont help me tone down the volume at all. Unless anyone has any more ideas for a Ghia speaker a bit quieter than the V30, I htink the G12M 25 Greenback is the one.
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Dec 29, 2005 16:28:54 GMT -7
Rick, I tried a Ghia with a z-best 1x12. Had a Cali Webber... Sounded absolutely outstanding!
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