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Post by billyguitar on Aug 27, 2005 16:40:57 GMT -7
I just received my new 12" alnico Tone Tubby speaker with the H1-E cone. I put it in my Maz 38 sr with reverb. I bought it from Scott at South Valley Vintage Amps in Gilroy, CA. He seems to be a very nice guy. Scott says the speaker takes 10 to 20 hours to break in but it sounds great right now. Compared to the Celestion G12H30 it seems to have more resonance in the lows and low mids, no cone cry like the Celestion has, and a pretty sparkle on top. It is very articulate and kind of hi-fi sounding. I'm really digging it! It was $239.95 plus $14.20 shipping so that's 2-1/2 times the price of a Celestion. It seems that after a certain level of quality each increment thereafter costs more and more. But we all understand that already, afterall we bought Dr Zs instead of Fenders and Peaveys. If anyone else has any experience with the Tone Tubbys or Eminence hemp cone speakers please post.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 27, 2005 17:48:46 GMT -7
How is the high end response compared to the G12H30? More, less or close to the same?
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Post by billyguitar on Aug 27, 2005 19:21:24 GMT -7
Highs are sweet but perhaps sound like less because the lows and low mids are stronger than the Celestion. Not much difference, like turning the knob from 3 with the celestion to 4 with the TT. To me it's good. The best part is the stronger fundemental under the note. That and no cone cry when you play above F sharp (above the 14th fret) on the high E string.
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Post by m1911 on Aug 28, 2005 6:31:29 GMT -7
About three years ago I changed over all Cabinets that were running Celestions for Tone Tubbies. These are all Z Cabs.....two are 1x12's and another is a Z-Best 2x12. I bought the original H1 Hemps (Darkest of all offerings). I think you get more usable range of the tone cut controls. I should point out that the only amps used are MAZ Juniors and MAZ Seniors. In my EXTREMELY limited and humble opinon....these set-ups produce the sweetest Strat AND Les Paul tones I've ever heard. It is the most flexible combination of Amps and Speakers you could ask for. Also....these are supposed to be rated at approximately 35 to 40 watts each. So for a 1x12 set-up you are safe with a MAZ Senior and certainly with a MAZ Junior. And...with a Z-Best you have about 70 or 80 Watts capacity behind you....safe for most any Head you would set on top of it. AWESOME Speakers! Mark
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Post by LittleBlindShakey on Aug 29, 2005 19:36:12 GMT -7
I have a Fender Deluxe Reverb Reissue with a single 12" Tone Tubby and a Vibrolux with two 10's Tone Tubby's. Played the DRRI for a couple of years with the TT's and the Vibrolux following that for a couple as well. Stopped playing both a couple of months ago after the purchase of the Maz Sr. Put a lot of time in with each at volumes each amp was designed for to hummmmm. Tried both the original (darker) and second series of TT (brighter). Agree with comments in billguitar's first note about the cry, break in, and sparkle. Not sure about the mids and low's, but that could be attributed to the amp it was matched against. I replace the output transformer and choke with a Mercury Magnetics product and then I noticed the mids and lows kicked in. Kudos to the good Dr for getting that concept right. To me the speakers seemed to offer the illusion of compression with a pedal, subtle but there.
The short is that while I prefer the TT’s in my Fenders I don’t have any desire to try them in my Maz. Why, it already has the tone I like and I don’t want to screw up a good thing (did that before...). My guess is that a change in speakers would take me away from the natural Maz tone. Not good or bad, better or worse, etc. You know what I mean. But the TT’s do have a thing... And for those looking for what billguitar stated it could be the right move.
My problem when I first tried the TT”s was that I did not like the brighter version with a bright amp like a Deluxe. So I switched them out for the original. Given the doctors “third whatever” note you may want to try the darker version first with the Maz.
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Post by billyguitar on Aug 30, 2005 5:24:38 GMT -7
It so happens that I was swapping tubes around and swapped the Sovtek PI tube and the JJ V1 tube. It is a little darker and sweeter so that's the way I'm leaving it. I thnk the Tone Tubbys are very neutral and don't hurt the Maz 38 sr at all. Also, once in a while I'll play those notes that get the cone cry with the Celestion and it always distracts me. For me that alone is a big enough deal to swap speakers.
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Post by kr on Sept 25, 2005 11:46:37 GMT -7
I just bought a Dr Z 6545 with a 2x12. When i was in the store trying it out we ran the amp through both the Dr Z 2x12 and a Tone Tubby (Brown) 2x12. I loved the Tone Tubby except for the 6th string. I do a lot of Hendrix style thumb on the root stuff, and it was pretty harsh sounding (same thing my Fender Twin used to do). The Dr Z was much cleaner and tighter for that. Since I use that so much, I went with the Dr Z. But, I miss the sound the Tone Tubby had for the other 5 strings when playing thru the Dr Z.
Now I'm having second thoughts and wondering if there's anything I could do (baffling the Tone Tubby, swapping speakers, etc) to get the best of both worlds. Any suggestions?
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Post by m1911 on Sept 25, 2005 13:26:27 GMT -7
Now I'm having second thoughts and wondering if there's anything I could do (baffling the Tone Tubby, swapping speakers, etc) to get the best of both worlds. Any suggestions? Yes....you can try what I mentioned earlier....load your Z-Best with two Tone Tubbies. In fact, I just ordered more Tone Tubbies for another Z-Best. I like the combination, but I'll also be interested in Z's opinion when he hears it.
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Post by jzguitar on Sept 25, 2005 18:06:14 GMT -7
Are you using the alnico or the ceramic? How about mixing a Tone Tubby with another brand - anyone try this?
jz
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Post by kr on Sept 25, 2005 23:06:29 GMT -7
I have the ceramics now. m1911 - how are the low notes (6th string) and sustain with the Tone Tubby speakers in the Z Best?
I was worried that if I just took the speakers from the Tone-Tubby I tried (non-ported) and put them in the Z, I might not get much difference than the ceramics that are already in there. I'm not that knowledgeable about this stuff and was wondering if ported vs not was more of a difference in the sound than the speakers themselves. The Tone-Tubby seem to resonate a little brighter (more shimmery) and longer but the low notes (6th string only) were harsh/buzzy. I was thinking that may be due to the speaker being free. Then if I stick them in the ported Z cab, I lose that. Or, if it's mostly the speaker, then I stick them in the Z and still don't like the buzz of the 6th string.
Thanks, keith
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Post by billyguitar on Sept 26, 2005 2:04:47 GMT -7
Just a thought; maybe your pickups are too close to the string? It would be most apparent on the low E.
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Post by kr on Sept 26, 2005 12:33:17 GMT -7
Yeah, good point. I may try lowering the neck pickup on my strat (I play mostly with the neck and middle together) with the TT. But even the way it is now, the 6th string sounds great thru the Z cab, and with my little solid state Fender practice amp.
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Post by m1911 on Sept 30, 2005 3:38:20 GMT -7
I have the ceramics now. m1911 - how are the low notes (6th string) and sustain with the Tone Tubby speakers in the Z Best? Thanks, keith kr....don't hear the buzz you describe on the low E. The thing sounds great.....and when used with MAZ Juniors and Seniors there is still plenty of highs on tap as well. Mark
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