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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 2, 2005 21:14:01 GMT -7
I prefer to have 2 like speakers.
I'm not gonna do the V30/G12H30 combo either.
Right now my cab has a G12H30 and a Green Back. The cab sounds great but I would like a little more clarity and snap to the top end. Would replacing the greenback with another G12H30 help this? I love 2 G12H30's in an open back but Z Best is a different animal. I don't want the low end to get boomy To get my Route 66 to sound the way I want I have to dime the treble and put the bass at about 9-10 oclock.
I was thinking of 2 Red Fangs because I hear that they aren't too heavy on the low end(which the Z Best already has plenty of) and are supposed to have nice highs. Plus I like AlNiCo speakers.
I'm also conssidering a pair of ceramic Weber Blue Dog's. I'd like the go with the AlNiCo's but I don't have the cheese for a pair of those. I used to have an avatar cab loaded with a ceramic Blue Dog and a Silver Bell. They sounded great but I was using a completely diffferent amp(Matchless Clubman)
I guess I'm looking for 2 speakers that aren't too bassy and have a nice high end
Thanks in advance for any input.
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Post by johnnyl on Aug 3, 2005 8:25:19 GMT -7
I think I'm w/ ya Laroosco.. I've got the same speaker combo going right now w/ my Z-best (playing through SRZ-65). I had the v/30 g12h combo in the zbest originally and found it boomy. I put in the GB and it sounded cool but last night I was noticing that it couldn't handle my sunface blasting through it very well. I think I may have taken my wattage down too low. Also, I noticed some of my headroom is gone as well. damn... this speaker thing is a pain in the arse..... I'd like to have headroom, no woofy/boomy bass, and tight focused mids...
Help!
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Post by johnb on Aug 3, 2005 8:48:41 GMT -7
I am also trying to make up my mind. What do you think of the combination of a G12H and a Weber Ceramic Blue Dog? Or a G12H and a Celestion Blue?
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Post by johnnyl on Aug 3, 2005 9:28:35 GMT -7
hmmm... interesting thought. Anybody out there tried this??
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 3, 2005 9:29:18 GMT -7
I'm gonna replace the GB with anothe G12H30 later today and see how it sounds.
My next step is probably to try a Ceramic Blue Dog(or 2)
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Post by guitarboy02451 on Aug 5, 2005 8:18:44 GMT -7
What about a Swamp Thang/Tonker mix?
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 5, 2005 8:47:58 GMT -7
I'd like to try some Emi speakers and I've heard good things about the Tonker too.
I replaced the GB in the Z Best with a G12H30 aand it brightened the tone and gave me more clarity. A step in the right direction for sure.
But the problem is still there of not being able to get the tone I want out of my Strat neck pup. The 66 is just so damn dark that I wind up using my bridge pup all tthe time. I love the way the 66 sounds, but now I remember why I sold the last one I had. I'm currently looking to trade for a Mazerati. If nobody bites I will probably try some different speakers.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 5, 2005 21:35:12 GMT -7
What about a Swamp Thang/Tonker mix? I just went to the Eminence page at Weber's web site and looked up the Tonker and the Swamp Thang. I have to say that I'm interested. Especially for the price. I've heard that the Tonker is a bright clean speaker. I'm wondering how that would affect the way my Fuzz pedals react. Hmmmm
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Post by Bill on Aug 6, 2005 5:25:01 GMT -7
I use a Swamp Thang in a 1x12 Z cab, and have a ceramic Blue Dog 50 on the way. Went back and forth on the ST and Tonker and in the end took the ST based on the reputed monster bottom it offers. It didn't disappoint, great speaker...even got some unsolicited comments on how strong the low end was on the RsES/ST at rehearsal last week.
Bluzsteel uses a Tonker with a ST extended cab and has stated he can't hear much difference in the two. Both 150w, close in price. Tonker may be a touch brighter and offer a little more bounce. I can see where both would be a nice combo, but I just get by with a single 12 for what I do.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 7, 2005 18:32:47 GMT -7
I'm not gonna use a Swamp thang in the Route 66 because I don't need any more low end than I already have. The Tonker seems like a good speaker but I ddon't want anything too clean that will make all my fuzz pedals sound splatty.
Plus both of these speakers are rated at 103db. The Route 66 is already almost too loud for some gigs. I don't neeed any more volume. A 3db boost is more than a lot of people think.
I'm gonna call Dave at Avatar tomorrow morning and order a Vintage 30. The Dr must put these speakers in there for a reason. I love this amp and am looking for any excuse to keep it.
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Post by telefunken on Aug 7, 2005 21:31:06 GMT -7
Man, Ive been through this over and over again myself. It sounds great untill you have to turn up, then it becomes boomy. I gave up on the closed back cabs, and removed the back, and ran Vintage 30's. Couldn't be happier.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 7, 2005 21:42:06 GMT -7
I've never had a problem with boomy low end with the Z Best.
My problem is getting used to the lack of sparkle in the Route 66. Are you playing a 66?
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Post by telefunken on Aug 7, 2005 21:57:40 GMT -7
Hi Ive got a Maz jr and a Mazerati. If I run the treble to get a nice top end, it can sound thin and by adding enough bass to fatten it up, it becomes a wrestling match to keep it from being boomy. I'm sure that there is a speaker out there that will cure this, but I found by removing the back, I didn't have nearly as much grief. I play a 3 pickup Tele, and switching pickups from bridge to neck is where i had most of the trouble. Just my experience. Thanks!
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 8, 2005 11:00:47 GMT -7
Well I talked to Dave at Avatar for a bit today and wound up ordering a Red Fang.
It hould be here in a couple days. Looking forward tto hearing it.
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