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Post by pickslide on Nov 30, 2012 10:08:39 GMT -7
does a Stang have when cranked? I use an attenuator and would rather have an amp that can get nice and crunchy like a vox. Can the SR do that without pedals?
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Post by John on Nov 30, 2012 17:02:12 GMT -7
This is a VERY clean amp. The firm bass (REAL firm) slightly scooped mids and crispy highs are to die for. The harmonic content of this amp is off the charts. But it's a clean amp. Asking it to crunch is a bit much. You'll need some pedal help.
And when it is cranked...it's LOUD.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Nov 30, 2012 20:20:08 GMT -7
In the Doc's DVD published a few years back, there was a feature with B. Paisley (on-stage, I think?) where he flat-out cranked his StingRay (a.k.a. StangRay) and it was still pretty clean. And even HE said it was loud... so yeah, it'll be LOUD and yet not crunchy.
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Post by M Fowler on Dec 2, 2012 0:26:43 GMT -7
The Stangray is a great Pedal Pusher amp, the amp stays clean, chimey and loud.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Dec 2, 2012 1:09:10 GMT -7
eVEN though its a clean PLATFORM based amp, It gets NASTY Like MARSHALLY NASTY, when you stack pedals like timmy, zendrive, etc... on top of such boxes like the BB preamp. Barber DD, or the SR LTD, super great amp for adding more and more , It does have nice sweet breakup when cranked. But Not enough to satisfy my OD needs without PEDALS ;D
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Post by Ridgeback on Dec 2, 2012 10:01:21 GMT -7
Maybe Drew will chime in. I'm pretty sure he drives his Ray pretty hard (and likes it).
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Dec 2, 2012 11:57:30 GMT -7
The Ray offers nice grit, I wouldnt say as much as an AC30 but its not intended to sound like that , more of Pre Top Boost. There is a Really Cool Youtube Video on the Ray titled "Stangray For Country ONLY" Its amazing. If I remember Correct? It is a Ray a PRS and a 2x12 Cab it Really Shows how versitle the Ray can sound , I'll try and find it and If i can figure out how to copy/paste Ill post it , ;D Oh Yeah DREW is Definitely a RAY!!! MAN! for sure hes uses his like I do , everything from Cleans to Mean!!!
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Post by telejas on Dec 2, 2012 17:04:26 GMT -7
I'm on my 2nd Ray..... Had one from 2006 until around 2007 (or 2008). I recorded this "volume difference clip" in about 2007 through a 50wt Weber Alnico Blue dog using my Telecaster with Lindy Fralin Blues Specials (single coils). It gets a little bass heavy towards the end, but you get the general idea. soundcloud.com/tele_jas/ray-volume-differencesHere's a clip with just using a volume boost pedal in front of the Ray through various changes. soundcloud.com/tele_jas/ray-with-boost
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 2, 2012 17:45:00 GMT -7
Great demo that illustrates how tone changes as volume increases! thanks for sharing!
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Post by drew on Dec 3, 2012 14:08:09 GMT -7
How can I not respond to this thread! :-) As shown in Telejas clips the Ray can get crunchy when cranked but it's not a gain monster. Jaguarguy makes a good point that you can hear in Jason's clips as he points out in his clips. The Ray does take on a different personality as the volume knob increases. Similar to a treble bleed circuit on the guitar's volume control the Ray's volume has more chime in the lower setting but as you crank the volume knob the tones becomes more mid and bass heavy. Run ceramic speaker(s) with the volume well past noon, set the Tone control around 9:30 - 10:00 and Cut the same and IMHO, the ray is a rock and roll animal. (You have to have volume control up for these tone settings). Yes it's loud but with inefficient spks and a couple clicks on an airbrake I find it manageable. I have to add pedals to get higher gain stuff but if you want a crunch platform to add one or two dirt pedals the Ray is glorious. The ray's exceptional harmonics driving ceramics speakers, (Z-Best or other closed back multiple speakers cabs), makes for a damn good rock and roll amp. IMHO the speakers make a huge difference, alnico verses ceramic. I use the Ray for R&R (classic and current) top 40 dance band stuff. To put it like T-Rock would say about the Galaxie.. Chet to Chains. In a cover rock band I do need pedals with the ray to cover heavier rock tones. And as Jamie said the Ray can get into marshall'ish territory with pedals. I've never owned a VOX AC30 so I can't compare but did have a VOX AC15 TBX and the Ray can crunch like the Vox but with MUCH better low end definition. One of the reasons I moved the AC15 was the lack of low end "thud Factor" I suspect the AC30 has good bottom but it would be hard to match the Ray's thud factor.
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Post by telejas on Dec 3, 2012 21:45:13 GMT -7
it would be hard to match the Ray's thud factor. Thud Factor = Good band name! I've owned 60+ amps... Fenders (Twins), Vox, Mesa (Lone Star, Single, Dual and Triple Rectifiers), Top Hat, Marshall (clone), Bad Cat....You name it, I've probably owned it (except Morgan). The Hayseed has the most low end available out of any amp I've ever owned! As for comparing it to an AC30 "crunch"..... I have owned a few AC30's and a couple AC15's. The Vox's really can get dirty when cranked hard, some what dirtier than the Stang Ray. But they also get really mushy and loose definition. Which can be cool if that's the sound you're going for (an amp on the verge of exploding), works great for some songs. The Stang Ray is not as crunchy as a Vox or even my Hayseed 30 for that matter. But it retains definition (if you keep the low end in check) and can rattle the walls in a brick house if you aren't careful. I think a Stang Ray is what the Big bad wolf used to blow down the little piggiey's houses ;D
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Post by savage8190 on Dec 10, 2012 11:27:45 GMT -7
I think speakers play a huge role in the "crunch" of the Ray as well...at least they did for me. I found it dirtied up quite a bit with the blues and could easily get into classic rock territory. When I played it through a pair of greens though it was a whole different ball game; had a more cutting, Marhsally type tone. Could have been the tubes playing a role too....
One thing that also REALLY helped without altering the tone was using an EQ; when you bump the mids I gives up way more grind.
I didn't find it that loud, especially compared to my AC30; that thing was brutal. With a brake lite I could crank the Ray without hurting myself.
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Post by Hohn on Dec 13, 2012 18:53:03 GMT -7
+1 on the EQ changing the crunch a bunch.
I love the combo of the Ray with an Ethos pedal. The Ethos has a tons of mids in a very dumble-ish kind of voicing.
It compliments the scooped mids of the Ray just superbly. You can go from nearly clean to downright nasty with just pick attack.
JMO
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