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Post by jlowder23 on Nov 14, 2012 16:49:28 GMT -7
I've got a 2012 Stangray head/cab. the cab is loaded with celestion blues. everywhere we play i am always told to turn down. i never can push the stangray past 2. tried an airbrake but it just didnt sound the same. thought about switching one of the blue's out for gold. Will this help my problem any??? Any other suggestions?
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Nov 14, 2012 19:23:43 GMT -7
GOLDS WILL BE LOUDER THEY ARE 100DB I m not sure the db on the blue but the magnet should be heavier so should be more efficient. The Ray Cuts through so well, I have the same problem but I have been using Ceramics with lowerdb ratings so It can be pushed a bit more, Isnt a great feeeling when someone tells you to turn that lil 3 KNOB 30 watter down ;D The Golds would give you more bass and less chime and more creamier mids to my Ears.
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Post by M Fowler on Nov 14, 2012 22:25:32 GMT -7
Plug into the low input and try a 5V4 rectifier tube in place of the 5AR4/GZ34 to lower the plate voltage.
Try substituting the 12AX7 phase inverter tube with a 12AT7. Also, one speaker is less efficient then two, you may want to experiment with a single 12" speaker/cab but watch the impedence and plug into the correct jack.
Mark
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Post by bryan0418 on Nov 14, 2012 22:31:25 GMT -7
If you go to 1 speaker, careful of the wattage as the Stang Ray is 30 watts and the Celestion blues are only 15 each. Maybe run it through the Gold only?
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Post by mfirst on Nov 15, 2012 7:42:25 GMT -7
Plug into the low input and try a 5V4 rectifier tube in place of the 5AR4/GZ34 to lower the plate voltage. Try substituting the 12AX7 phase inverter tube with a 12AT7. Also, one speaker is less efficient then two, you may want to experiment with a single 12" speaker/cab but watch the impedence and plug into the correct jack. Mark I've used the low imput in situations like your. It really works well to cut the volume. On mine it seems to cut the volume quite a bit, its great for low vol gigs.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Nov 15, 2012 8:11:43 GMT -7
At the very least, I think you need to go down to a 1x12 cab instead of running a 2x12. 1 Gold by itself can certainly handle the StangRay's output power, but it's still gonna be pretty loud.
To get the noticeable cut in volume that you need, I would suggest going all the way down to a Greenback-style speaker (they're pretty low-sensitivity, i.e. not as loud as a Blue or Gold) like perhaps the new 65W Celestion Creamback or maybe WGS's 50W Invader. Or, just start using a lower-powered amp altogether, like the M12. Those StangRays are loud, loud amps.
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Post by bryan0418 on Nov 15, 2012 9:11:09 GMT -7
I like to use an EP Booster last in my chain with the knob down low. It will give you some of the sparkle back which I hear is lost using the attenuator.
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Post by telejas on Nov 15, 2012 13:02:32 GMT -7
This seems to be a growing issue over the past 10-15 years. Sound men like very low volume amps and it’s worse if you have a light playing drummer – then you really stand out.
Over the years, I have played with master volume amps and amps with attenuators…. When I set them to my “comfort” level, which I don’t think is that loud, I have always been asked to turn down. I even tried Beam-Blockers, those just made my band guys hate me by dispersing the sound wider and driving them crazy. So I tried another suggestion and built a cheap plexiglass shield. The very first gig I played with it, I turned it up slightly above my normal setting and during sound check, the sound man said “you can actually turn up a little if you want”!?!!? It was actually louder on stage, but since it wasn’t shooting straight off the stage, it wasn’t affecting the FOH mix as much.
If I were you, I’d try that… What do you have to lose? You don’t even have to use plexiglass the first time, just a suitcase or something to block the sound from going forward (thick cardboard, ply wood, ect...). If that works, then go invest in a $20-$30 piece of Plexiglas and a couple of hinges and make a single folding shield. The only down side is if you like to mic far away from the grill you’ll get some phase issues sometimes (not all the time). But if you close mic, you should have no phase problems.
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Post by John on Nov 15, 2012 13:09:42 GMT -7
The Stangray is a glorious amp. Loud, but glorious.
The blue and the gold are both 100db...so no reduction in volume there. Going with a less efficient speaker will help lower the volume but it will change the tone.
If you're the kind of player that plays smaller clubs....like me...then here's my suggestion...but you're probably not going to like it:
Get a Maz Jr.
As for the airbrake...it DOES sound the same..it's your ears that are hearing things differently. Our ears DO hear things differently at different volume levels. There's a guy here on the forum (Benttop) who made recordings...at different airbrake levels. (and some with no airbrake) No changes to the amps settings or guitar.
When played back, you can't tell the difference.
So if you can't get along with an airbrake or a plexi shield...get a Maz Jr!! (and you won't be sorry...the Jr is awesome!)
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Post by curtisjames on Nov 16, 2012 0:59:54 GMT -7
OK...like the plexi glass solution I actually purchased from a sound solutions company that sells everything from green glue to high density foam in 2x4' sized pads for people who live in condos and apartments, and building music studios for noise solutions. The 2'x4' pad has a indoor/outdoor carpet lining as well. I cut mine down to size to cover the 2x12's on my ray and bingo.....problem solved. Not enough?....double it. I've also thrown one behind, as there is quite a bit of blow back as well. experiment and don't give up as it worth it. really a simple solution, but this foam is specific to absorbing sound and rated as such. makes for happy campers in the band, and ultimately you as we'll. saturate those tubes. I have a gold and a blue in my monster and couldn't be happier. if the look bothers you, line it in a fabric that you choose from any fabric store or buy amp replacement cloth and glue it around and on them ....Hope that helps.
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