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Post by mazmaster on Oct 15, 2012 11:57:55 GMT -7
sorry you feel the need to "abandon" this amp. I've owned 6 other Z's not to mention many other boutique amps and the m12, at least for me, is the most rich and incredible sounding amp of them all. Really wish you were able to walk in to a shop and play one that isnt having these problems. I too would encourage you just to throw in a new EF86 just to see if it doesnt completely change things. it really might change your mind about the amp. Good luck! I agree that the M12 is an incredible sounding amp, definitely in the top 2-3 that I've ever owned...and I've had the best of the best. At that level, you just get different, not better. In any case, the compressed, boxy thing with distorted classic rock chording is just not something I hear at all in my M12. In fact, running side-by-side with my Germino Monterey into a 4x12 (the same circuit Jimi played at Monterey), the M12 takes on a surprising degree of that big box Marshall's hugeness and authority. Very surprising!
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Post by jesslm02 on Oct 15, 2012 12:47:29 GMT -7
I've even been playing mine quite a bit with a single 10" speaker and the 1x10 cab. It sounds surprisingly big, with the right speaker of course. I suspect my next few speaker swaps will only make it sound bigger and better as I hone in on the right one.
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 16, 2012 5:41:10 GMT -7
I'd like to keep it - it's just too quiet and if I get more than 8-10 feet away from it there's just not enough power or fullness or throw of its sound. I will try to obtain an EF86 before shipping it back.
Any suggestions for an amp like the M12 but double the power?
I will say that when standing 6 feet in front of the M12 - it's my favorite amp I've ever played.
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 16, 2012 9:59:53 GMT -7
Would adding another speaker cabinet make it fuller and louder?
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Post by jesslm02 on Oct 16, 2012 10:09:13 GMT -7
Would adding another speaker cabinet make it fuller and louder? Sure would. Or simply using a 2x12, 4x10, or 4x12 would as well.
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 16, 2012 10:15:49 GMT -7
And can I plug 2 cabs into my m12 at once?
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Post by jesslm02 on Oct 16, 2012 11:33:59 GMT -7
Yep. But you will need a "Y" cable Todd from PCNS sells, or something similar. It basically allows you to connect the cabs together in parallel or series depending on the one you want and buy.
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Post by jesslm02 on Oct 16, 2012 11:40:38 GMT -7
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 12:19:59 GMT -7
You could also use a "Stand Alone Brake Lite" - if you have one. Two output jacks "in parallel". Two 8ohm speakers into the 4ohm tap. Two 16ohm cabs into the 8ohm jack...
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 17, 2012 21:35:49 GMT -7
Ok quick question... I'm hearing this kinda papery decay when I engage a pedal that gives me a higher gain overdrive... Is this the greenback nature? Or is it just cuz my greenback isn't broken in yet?
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Post by KeithA on Oct 18, 2012 3:14:38 GMT -7
Ok quick question... I'm hearing this kinda papery decay when I engage a pedal that gives me a higher gain overdrive... Is this the greenback nature? Or is it just cuz my greenback isn't broken in yet? Hmmm, I'm not sure as I've never owned an actual greenback. However, I suspect with that speaker you would get more 'speaker breakup' than a lot of other speakers. I find the Blues likes that too, but I think it's part of the sound some like it....some hate it. I may be completely off base here. Perhaps someone who really knows will chime in. Keith
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Post by Maddog on Oct 18, 2012 4:42:42 GMT -7
And can I plug 2 cabs into my m12 at once? I'll be playing my M12 at two outside gigs this saturday. Mine is a combo with a 12" Greenback. I am stacking it on a 1 x 12 Z convertible cab with a G12H30.......it's a MONSTER in this configuration.....
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 18, 2012 11:13:52 GMT -7
Well I've been learning lots about my M12 in different playing environments lately and I may keep it after all. I discovered partially that the room I initially was doing my tests in had some pretty funny acoustics. Lol - I know I feel funny. But the last couple rooms I've played it the amp has sounded significantly better. So I'm gonna keep trying out some different places and see how it fairs. I may still need another extension cabinet though.
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 18, 2012 18:12:32 GMT -7
I'd like to keep it - it's just too quiet and if I get more than 8-10 feet away from it there's just not enough power or fullness or throw of its sound. I will try to obtain an EF86 before shipping it back. Any suggestions for an amp like the M12 but double the power? I will say that when standing 6 feet in front of the M12 - it's my favorite amp I've ever played. The Z28 is about double the power and has the same EF86 front end, but uses 6V6s. But, definitely try a new EF86 in the M12. It's a pretty cheap experiment.
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 18, 2012 19:36:29 GMT -7
Ok quick question... I'm hearing this kinda papery decay when I engage a pedal that gives me a higher gain overdrive... Is this the greenback nature? Or is it just cuz my greenback isn't broken in yet? It very well could be a break-in issue or the EF86. I didn't even play my M12 until the Greenback ran for 24 hours on a variac at 1/3 power to break it in. After that, it sang like a bird, with no weird overtones or cone cry or anything...clean as a whistle. When the stock EF86 started going bad though, I got progressively worse tone until I eventually started getting microphonics and other weird noises. Then it screeched like an owl and died.
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 18, 2012 19:40:53 GMT -7
This rig sounds as big, everywhere in the room, with the M12 as it does with my 100W watt amps when they're both adjusted for the same volume. Killer!
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Post by Abandoned on Oct 18, 2012 20:57:17 GMT -7
This rig sounds as big, everywhere in the room, with the M12 as it does with my 100W watt amps when they're both adjusted for the same volume. Killer! What cab is that?
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 18, 2012 21:16:08 GMT -7
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Post by diyblues on Oct 18, 2012 22:20:42 GMT -7
WOW! Does that 3D thing really work? That would be a perfect cab for places where your rig is close to the wall... reducing "woofines" I mean.
I have to look in to this!
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Post by Stan on Oct 19, 2012 5:28:07 GMT -7
thanks for the link on the fortemusical.com/
i had a look around besides a great concept and idea for a cab
i saw this option of the KickStand, i've never seen that before as a simple solution
this pic doesn't show all that well but the website does that the stand is built in ! !
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 19, 2012 7:30:03 GMT -7
WOW! Does that 3D thing really work? That would be a perfect cab for places where your rig is close to the wall... reducing "woofines" I mean. I have to look in to this! YES! These cabs have been all the rage on TGP for a couple years now. Have not yet heard a bad review.
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 19, 2012 7:36:46 GMT -7
thanks for the link on the fortemusical.com/ i had a look around besides a great concept and idea for a cab i saw this option of the KickStand, i've never seen that before as a simple solution this pic doesn't show all that well but the website does that the stand is built in ! ! Yep, like Doc Z, Dave is constantly innovating and provides great customer support and service. I don't have the kickstand on mine and prefer to mount the cab higher with less angle, but it's a killer idea! In any case, his 3D112 has been a game changer for me in a number of ways. You eliminate back wall issues and get the feel of a much bigger cab that has the thump of a closed back but the openness and smoothness of an open-back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2012 8:59:34 GMT -7
Nice set-up there, mazmaster.
cheers/tom
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Post by mazmaster on Oct 19, 2012 12:24:52 GMT -7
Nice set-up there, mazmaster. cheers/tom Thanks!!! We are blessed to be living in a time with so many talented, cool folks building such great gear.
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