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Post by joek86 on Aug 27, 2012 3:43:44 GMT -7
This weekend I played an outdoor gig. The most rattling thing happened; I turned my amp on and got NOTHING! Bottom line is that a fuse blew because a power to arced.
This forced me to use a stage amp that was provided by the sound people; a Twin Reverb. I've never played one, so I was not happy. To boot, the sound guy is calling for a sound check while I am plugging into the Twin. I plugged into the stripped down channel, threw it on bright and volume on 4 and played. I confined my dirt pedals to a Timmy and and RC booster. I adjusted those to the clean output of the Twin and we played. I have to say, this amp kicked butt in our classic rock band! The thing that I notice other than the way it cut, was the RC really boosted my leads..almost too much the way I had it set; did I say that? I attribute the boost ability to the headroom of the twin, unless you guys think differently. And those two things are what got me, better boost/control, and cut.
One thing for sure, if you are a sloppy player, you don't want a twin, it leaves no where to hide!
So, I am definitely going to experiment with my master vol amps and try a cleaner initial setting... Thoughts? Or, buy a Twin...LOL? Would the M12 get me a scaled down similar result?
~Joe
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Post by apreswho on Aug 28, 2012 22:53:15 GMT -7
Though i cant speak on the M12 from experience (hope to soon!) i can say definitively that the higher wattage and higher headroom (ability to handle more volume before breakup...just to be clear) seem to help those cleaner boots jump out more. For instance: with my super reverb my clean boost hops up much more in perceived volume, where as with my Z28 my clean boost adds more dirt and compression comparitively, presumably because the amp is somewhat closer to being "tapped out." Now i dont know much about building amps, i just know what my ears tell me and what reasoning and deduction help me determine, but it sounds to me like you might be looking for a higher wattage amp if both clean headroom and stage volume are priorities to you.
I will also say i dig twins. I dont get the punch or response out of them as i do my Z, but they certainly do their job. Hope thats some help!
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Post by 22watts on Aug 28, 2012 23:53:12 GMT -7
I'm new to the Z-forum, so this is my first time to chime in..... I purchased a EZG50 when they first came out for this very reason.....Headroom. It's been my go to amp ever since, and has never let me down. I've been waiting on a EZG25....haha, but the M12 looks and sounds really good to me. Thinking about it being my low wattage go to amp.
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Post by nigel (Rick) on Aug 29, 2012 9:10:02 GMT -7
Nothing wrong with a good Fender Twin, Super, etc. Gigged with them for years always using pedals. Very stable equipment too and simple to get good tone. Still totally in love with my Princeton Reverb which is my all-time favorite amp that I have ever owned.
I am bonding with the Route 66 probably due to my past experience using Fender and Mesa amps. For me, sometimes headroom is a good thing, sometimes not. So its nice to have a few different amp choices depending on the venue size, music style or my mood :-)
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Post by mazmaster on Sept 1, 2012 7:52:47 GMT -7
I have always thought that pedals into a Twin that wasn't cranked up and distorting - or close it - sounded and felt like pedals into a PA. Very sterile and stiff. The M12 doesn't sound or feel like that at all. Pedals melt into the amp and sound like a part of it. Within its sweet range, which is magically very large, the M12 sounds and feels like a bigger amp that has been cranked up and is compressing just the right amount to make it sound like the pedal is part of the amp and not being run into a PA...or a squeaky clean Twin. You don't get that excessive volume jump when turning on OD pedals but you also don't get compressed mush. The M12 gets it just right, IMO. I suppose this could be due to the fact that the EF86 doesn't compress much, if at all itself, but it slams the back end which DOES tend to compress a touch to produce harmonics and richness and the touch/feel that guitarists love. So, you get higher headroom on the front end with less headroom on the backend to give you that feeling of playing straight into a cranked amp where the power tubes and PI are tossing harmonics but the upfront stages are not.
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