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Post by crxsh on Oct 3, 2011 8:41:31 GMT -7
What are the chances?
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Oct 3, 2011 9:26:49 GMT -7
Slim, I'm guessing. Doc seemed primarily interested in packing lots of features into a small combo, hence the reverb.
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Post by scotty on Oct 3, 2011 12:12:19 GMT -7
I remember Doc saying somewhere there would eventually be an NR version.
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Post by Jefferson on Oct 5, 2011 14:26:00 GMT -7
my guess is that he will run with the reverb version for about a year and then intro a NR version. There are lots of guys who swear by the NR 18's and he knows that. I am one of them!
It just makes sense to intro the reverb version first. It is a higher pricepoint and that extra margin undoubtedly helps fuel the R&D process that keeps great amps coming out of Cleveland.
JR
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Post by drzplayer on Oct 5, 2011 14:30:49 GMT -7
has anyone heard this amp yet? seems to be a lot of hype...i haven't heard it yet...i'm sure it will be nice...it is a Z amp...if its that nice I might be interested in a head...but i'll wait for a non reverb edition....the only reverb I have ever liked in a z amp is the EZG-50 reverb...
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Post by Lonny Caughron on Oct 5, 2011 15:08:38 GMT -7
has anyone heard this amp yet? seems to be a lot of hype...i haven't heard it yet...i'm sure it will be nice...it is a Z amp...if its that nice I might be interested in a head...but i'll wait for a non reverb edition....the only reverb I have ever liked in a z amp is the EZG-50 reverb... Eric (Roscoenyc) has been gigging his and likes it from what he has said. I trust his opinion.
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Post by crxsh on Oct 5, 2011 19:28:27 GMT -7
my guess is that he will run with the reverb version for about a year and then intro a NR version. Hmmm... if true, that's a little disappointing. I rarely used the reverb on my Maz 18 to begin with... and especially with the addition of an effects loop for my Eventide Space, I'd be perfectly content with a Maz 8 NR.
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Post by English John on Oct 6, 2011 0:32:21 GMT -7
There's no need for an NR version, the 8 already has a tonne of gain and a really active mid range control so you can can go from sparkly maz tones right through to british crunch.
Roscoe is an avid user of the 18NR and he's loving the maz 8 as it is.
You can always turn the reverb off.
Support Z with what's here now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 4:35:31 GMT -7
MAZ 8 has a lot of gain available. I mean a Lot! Taking it out for another gig with a larger band on Friday. Hope to have a more comprehensive report. It's 8 watts but they are "Doc Watts".
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 6, 2011 5:45:07 GMT -7
MAZ 8 has a lot of gain available. I mean a Lot! Taking it out for another gig with a larger band on Friday. Hope to have a more comprehensive report. It's 8 watts but they are "Doc Watts". Remember the formula folks: 1 Z Watt = 2.6 regular Watts !! ;D So, how does the gain compare with the Maz18 NR? More?
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Post by Jefferson on Oct 6, 2011 11:51:00 GMT -7
For me, what made the 18NR special wasnt the amount of gain available, it was the more open and articulate (less compressed) sound that just created a beautiful harmonic space between the notes that i could never achieve with the reverb model.
I am totally supportive of the good doctor, but since i dont use reverb and the doc has set a precedent on the maz series of creating the NR versions, i think i will wait to see where this evolves.
JR
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Post by KeithA on Oct 6, 2011 13:29:19 GMT -7
I am totally supportive of the good doctor, but since i dont use reverb and the doc has set a precedent on the maz series of creating the NR versions, i think i will wait to see where this evolves. JR + 1 If I were thinking about an 8, I'd definitely hold out to see if an NR would be produced. At the end of the day, wait and buy what one really wants, especially since the verb adds about $250 to an amp. Keith
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Post by rickc007 on Oct 6, 2011 13:29:32 GMT -7
For me, what made the 18NR special wasnt the amount of gain available, it was the more open and articulate (less compressed) sound that just created a beautiful harmonic space between the notes that i could never achieve with the reverb model. I am totally supportive of the good doctor, but since i dont use reverb and the doc has set a precedent on the maz series of creating the NR versions, i think i will wait to see where this evolves. JR Me too, I actually don't use reverb, and the NR is typically $250 less
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Post by English John on Oct 6, 2011 14:22:17 GMT -7
i see what you guys are saying, i just highly recommend playing the 8 first before finally making your mind up. Remember it's not just a 1 output tubed Maz 18. It has that vibe but it also takes on it's own personality.
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Post by Phil (aka Phil) on Oct 6, 2011 16:18:26 GMT -7
I talked to Doc about a MAZ 8 NR head at Z-Fest. At the time he seemed like he was committed to the 8 as-is (combo, reverb, etc.). You never know though. With time all are possible
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2011 17:07:46 GMT -7
So lets say, Next year Doc comes out with a NR Version. Prices will probably have jumped. What did you save. I don't use verb much. But some songs just need it. Gotta have a hint of verb in country stuff. It also seems like the 8 was designed as a one size fits all, does all Grab and go Tube amp. I don't know anything about what makes an amp tick. Guitars yeah, but amps. I just play. So this is just guessing, but it would almost seem that a NR version this small. might suffer for chimney cleans. I don't know just a thought.
I think this little amp is going to fill a lot of niches. From the small clubs, To wedding halls- to the bedroom, to the den. Very cool idea..
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Post by drzplayer on Oct 6, 2011 18:03:01 GMT -7
I'd have to hear it before chucking down that much cash on it...I know the tone I like...I just can't see me buying an amp without hearing it first...just doesn't make sense to me... everyone's idea of great tone is different I guess. I think i'll hold out and hear some demos...i'm just looking for something different than what I have now....if i like the tones and what I 'm thinking it to be like...I'll get the head....i'm not worried about price...or reverb...i have a strymon blue sky that does it all...I just want to see if its all that much different than the tones i can get out of my present z amps....lol
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Post by crxsh on Oct 6, 2011 18:53:50 GMT -7
I'm anxiously awaiting clips as well... but from the 9+ months of experience I had with the Maz 18 w/ reverb, I already know that I won't use onboard much at all. So this is less about some kind of desire for an anticipated tonal difference and more about not anything in the way. I've got a $500 reverb pedal — so with an effects loop, what do I need with an onboard tank?
Plus, cheaper is better.
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Post by Dan F"i"fe on Oct 7, 2011 6:32:34 GMT -7
I've heard the black ones sound better than the red ones... ;D
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Post by markT on Oct 7, 2011 6:42:47 GMT -7
I've heard the black ones sound better than the red ones... ;D Nah... Blonde's sound the best....they have more fun too!~ ;D
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Oct 7, 2011 9:21:13 GMT -7
I've heard the black ones sound better than the red ones... ;D Nah... Blonde's sound the best....they have more fun too!~ ;D Amen to that, bother!! As I always say, Blonde for yer amps; Brunette for yer women; Redheads - well, be VERY careful around them!! ;D
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Post by mickey on Oct 7, 2011 9:39:52 GMT -7
Red for me, with reverb!
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Post by jhumber on Oct 7, 2011 12:02:52 GMT -7
Probably worth noting that when the Z-Wreck came out it was a "silver only, head and cab only" deal....that seemed to change when enough people requested just the head.....(OT: will there ever be a Z-wreck combo?)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 13:07:07 GMT -7
Never say never with Doc, but your talking a different circumstance. Doc didn't change around the guts in the Z wreck head. I'm assuming to do NR. Things have to be done differently. Maybe it's not feasible..Maybe it is. I get the feeling if he didn't put in verb. Someone would have started a what? No Reverb in the 8 thread. Just how things are.
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Post by Maddog on Oct 7, 2011 13:27:58 GMT -7
I have a feeling that with the Footswitch-able Tonestack (EQ) Bypass, the Maz 8 will have a similar amout of gain increase as that you get with NR amps compared to reverb amps. Plus I am buying this amp for the same reasons Doc designed it.....ie: a "Grab 'n Go" amp. I doubt this will be my recording studio amp, my outdoors gig amp, or my regular practice amp. But when I get called to go play a small dive (common), or attend a practice session at someone else's place (common), have a restaurant gig (common), attend a multi-player jam session, or just wanna play in my home without rattling the rafters, it's gonna be the Maz 8. No extra pedals to carry.....just an axe, a cord, and an M8. Plus, I've always loved a tiny hint of reverb in small venues.....The Maz8 is an amp I've been needing/wanting for a long, long time. I CAN'T wait!
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Post by Jefferson on Oct 7, 2011 13:34:31 GMT -7
Dont get me wrong guys, i LOVE the idea of the MAZ 8! Just having had 2 of each the reverb 18's and the NR 18's, i really dig what happens to the circuit if the reverb comes out.
If that never happens then i will likely end up with one anyway (but please Doc, discuss with us at some point whether or not taking the reverb out of this circuit would have any merit!)
JR
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2011 14:25:44 GMT -7
You are gonna like it in the studio too.
The pentode/triode switch delivers some Very interesting stuff that is unique to the Z line. Microphones don't really like to be pummeled. This thing is great for recording. Great to get power tube grind w/o an attenuator at a reasonable volume.
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Post by jed1952 on Oct 8, 2011 9:24:24 GMT -7
For those of you that already have the Maz8, can you enlighten me on the tonal differences between pentode & triode? Thanks! Jim
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2011 9:53:27 GMT -7
The triode sounds more 'tweed' to me. It has a little less output. A little creamier, less spike-ey. Both are great sounds.
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Post by tuco on Oct 4, 2012 6:55:05 GMT -7
Any more updates to this? I think I would get a NR head if were a bit cheaper than the reverb.
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