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Post by crabby on Aug 23, 2011 21:48:00 GMT -7
Hi all. I am a proud new owner of a Route 66 that I have paired up with my Z 210 cab with the Docs speakers. I had been running a Carmen Ghia with the 210 cab and was using some mid enhancing pedals like a Fulldrive to add fatness for leads.
As many of you know the Route 66 is a very different amp then the Ghia and has a much thicker tone without the chime or top end sheen. However, the Route has so much more thump and bottom and I am completely in love with the sound.
Here is my dilemma: The combo of the Routee 66 and 210 cab is freakin loud even with my Brakelite being used. I have never compared the 210 to a 112 and am wondering if a Z convertible 112 cab with a less efficient driver would allow me to push the amp a little harder without so much volume.
I emailed Brent at Dr. Z and his advice was to consider a 25 watt Greenback but cautioned that I would have to use the Brakelite all the time due to the low wattage of the driver. The Vintage 30 was not recommended due to its forward mid presence but the GH30 was not mentioned.
I have read a bunch about these three drivers and am torn. I want to ensure that I can get some high end sparkle out oft a 112 cab, lower the overall volume but not have a less desirable tone then the 210 cab I already have.
Based purely on tone, what is a better match with the Route 66, a Greenback or a GH30? Will the amp destroy a low powered guitar speaker at moderately loud volumes and which cab will deliver a more pleasing tone. The Greenback has a much lower db rating then the GH30 but which driver sounds better??
Sorry for the rant, but i want to place an order for a cab very soon but need to decide on a driver. I have no way to test wither driver out before hand.
Any feedback or advice is welcomed!
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Post by prspastor on Aug 24, 2011 4:38:33 GMT -7
Well, I think that you would be fine with both, the Greenback would give you more volume control but would have a thicker mid-range. I *think* that the Greenback has more of a mid-hump than the G12H30. I think that the G12H30 has plenty of chime on the top end.
FWIW, lots of folks like the G12H30 here on the Route 66 forum from what I can tell.
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Post by crabby on Aug 24, 2011 6:05:44 GMT -7
From all I have read, the G12H30 seems to be a good route to counterbalance the thickness of the Route 66 but its a much more efficient speaker then the greenback so it will be a lot louder as well.
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Post by Mark (Basement Enthusiast) on Aug 24, 2011 6:39:22 GMT -7
Try looking at some Scumbacks--I know all the different models can be confusing, but here's what you need to know: M75 = classic "Greenback" and H75 = G12H30. Either one can be ordered in 65W; I hear they're a tad less efficient than the modern Celesions, with the "M" being the less efficient of the two.
Yeah, they're pricy.. but they sound fantastic, they compete with and are cheaper than (and maybe sound better than?) Celestion's own "Heritage" line, and the're on-sale right now for $20-off. I, myself, have an H75 on order at the moment for my Maz 18.
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Post by crabby on Aug 24, 2011 7:36:15 GMT -7
Thanks for the info on the Scumbacks Mark. Thing is, I plan to order a Z convertible 112 cab and will need to choose the driver that goes in it from the options available from the Doc. They are recommending the greenback as a less efficient speaker to keep volume down but I am concerned about how it will sound with the Route 66 as the greenback is described as having less highs and pronounced mids. Might be a little to mid humped with the 66.
The G12H30 is described as being brighter and a bit mid scooped bit is a much ore efficient driver and will be a lot louder then the Greenback.
Its hard without being able to try any of these beforehand. The 210 cab sounds great but I have no idea how it compares to any of the 112 options.
I was also considering trading in the 210 for a Zbest and just living with the Airbrake being on all the time but that may be a bit overkill. I'm torn between having the best tonal option as well as having a more manageable volume level.
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Post by buckeyebob on Aug 24, 2011 8:56:09 GMT -7
If I may add my two cents. It sounds like the G12-65 would be the way to go. It is a $50.00 upcharge in a Z 1x12, it can handle 65 watts, it is less efficient than most speakers @ 97 db, and it is very greenback like sound wise. I have the WGS version in my Z 1x12 and am extremely happy with it.
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Post by jb on Aug 24, 2011 11:49:02 GMT -7
The G12H30 sounds great with the Rt 66. The amp already sounds strong in the mids, so you may prefer to have a speaker with scooped mids.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 12:54:55 GMT -7
I used a G12-65 with my Route 66 for quite awhile. Wasn't completely happy with it as it is a warmer sounding speaker. Didn't match up well for me as the 66 is already thick and warm. Just didn't have the highs I was looking for. I replaced it with a Celestion Heritage G12H(55Hz). I loved the Route with this speaker. Once broken in I had no concerns with cranking the amp (all 3 dials). YMMV
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Post by crabby on Aug 24, 2011 15:17:12 GMT -7
So the G12H30 may be a better choice then a Greenback for a more balanced tone? Is there a significant volume difference between these two drivers? Any concerns with driving a 30 watt speaker with a 32 watt amp?
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Post by crabby on Aug 24, 2011 16:35:32 GMT -7
Thanks for all the responses. I am leaning more towards the G12H30 although the Greenback is still intriguing as it is rated at a much lower db level. I did try my Route 66 through a Z Best cab recently and it was tonal heaven but I just cant justify such a large cab for home use and small jams.
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Post by crabby on Aug 26, 2011 22:21:30 GMT -7
I went ahead and ordered the cab with a G12H30! Thanks again for everyone's advice. I will update once the cab arrives and can be tried out. I hear it could be a significant wait time.
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Post by prspastor on Aug 28, 2011 12:28:58 GMT -7
Humbuckermusic.com has the 1x12 cabs in stock right now with the G12H30. Great folks to work with! You might want to try them and then you wouldn't have to wait on an order.
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Post by crabby on Aug 28, 2011 13:28:10 GMT -7
That is tempting but I am in Canada so its a big pain to order a cab from the US as we get hammered for taxes and brokerage fees.
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Post by prspastor on Aug 28, 2011 20:00:57 GMT -7
So much for NAFTA. Sorry about that, Darn it, you try and help a brother out...
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Post by crabby on Sept 1, 2011 19:42:35 GMT -7
Much appreciated! I received confirmation that by cab is expected in about 3 weeks so I am very excited. Can't wait to compare it to the 210 and then run them both together!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Sept 23, 2011 7:25:20 GMT -7
Much appreciated! I received confirmation that by cab is expected in about 3 weeks so I am very excited. Can't wait to compare it to the 210 and then run them both together! any update on your cab? just curious, that's all ... cheers always, Joel
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Post by prspastor on Sept 23, 2011 12:43:24 GMT -7
Thank goodness for a new post in the Route 66 section! Good job Joel! Yep, I'm looking forward to a tone report!
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Post by Joey Beverages on Sept 25, 2011 8:41:10 GMT -7
Thank goodness for a new post in the Route 66 section! Good job Joel! Yep, I'm looking forward to a tone report! you know me ... still lurkin' in a few areas outside of the Ghia, Galaxie, Remedy and Z-28 ....
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Post by crabby on Oct 1, 2011 11:20:22 GMT -7
Hey all. Still waiting for my cab to arrive. From my latest update it should be here anytime now. The dealer told me they ordered three Z cabs art the same time for various customers and they are expected to arrive all at the same time.
I was messing around yesterday with my Route 66 and Z 210 cab yesterday and despite the fact that its such a loud rig, its hard to imagine my tone being much better! I am pretty excited to compare the new 112 to the 210 once it finally arrives.
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Post by prspastor on Oct 18, 2011 12:05:47 GMT -7
Any news?
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Post by Joey Beverages on Oct 18, 2011 13:16:34 GMT -7
Hey all. Still waiting for my cab to arrive. From my latest update it should be here anytime now. The dealer told me they ordered three Z cabs art the same time for various customers and they are expected to arrive all at the same time. I was messing around yesterday with my Route 66 and Z 210 cab yesterday and despite the fact that its such a loud rig, its hard to imagine my tone being much better! I am pretty excited to compare the new 112 to the 210 once it finally arrives. Try yer '66 with a mini-stack: Z 210 with a Z112 on top ..... ;D cheers always, Joel
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Post by eggman on Sept 20, 2020 15:18:16 GMT -7
Hey all. Still waiting for my cab to arrive. From my latest update it should be here anytime now. The dealer told me they ordered three Z cabs art the same time for various customers and they are expected to arrive all at the same time. I was messing around yesterday with my Route 66 and Z 210 cab yesterday and despite the fact that its such a loud rig, its hard to imagine my tone being much better! I am pretty excited to compare the new 112 to the 210 once it finally arrives. Try yer '66 with a mini-stack: Z 210 with a Z112 on top ..... ;D cheers always, Joel At the risk of sounding pathetic, it is posts like this that have me GASing so bad for a Route 66 head. One day...
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