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Post by draco on Dec 27, 2009 0:21:32 GMT -7
I'm just curious if anyone has seen or heard of any heavy-ish bands using Z amps. I know "heavy" is a subjective term, so let's just say bands that tend to crank the gain way up there. Maybe there aren't many artists in that genre using these amps, but toss some names out there if you've seen them. Thanks.
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Post by mtlrecords on Dec 27, 2009 15:28:50 GMT -7
I have yet to see any "heavy" bands use Z-amps. I have mostly seen metal or heavy guitar players using stuff on the cheap side of the spectrum or Mesa Triple Recs, new Marshall amps, or occasionally a Bogner Uberschall or Ecstasy.
Not that Z-amps couldn't work for heavy music. The SRZ and KT-45 in particular could be smokin for that!
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 27, 2009 18:29:50 GMT -7
What about Tracii Gunns of L.A. Guns??
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Post by draco on Dec 27, 2009 19:54:37 GMT -7
What about Tracii Gunns of L.A. Guns?? How did I miss that one...mentioned right on the Z front page with the DVD, too. I found this live video of him with a Z backline - sounds pretty good to me:
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Post by taswegian on Dec 27, 2009 21:57:51 GMT -7
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Post by draco on Dec 28, 2009 5:12:33 GMT -7
Very nice...what are you using for gear on that one?
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Post by awesome on Dec 28, 2009 8:58:16 GMT -7
me and ecsong187 use them sometimes for metal. well he does, i use them more for stoner/doom/ instrumental stuff.
some work better than others. it also depends on your situation and if you like to use pedals or not.
what kind of "heavy" music do you mean?
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Post by ecsong187 (Edwin) on Dec 28, 2009 11:57:32 GMT -7
I usually run my stangray with a pedal for the heavy metal stuff. I would look at the SRZ or MAZ GT for something that would work without pedals. Thanks Edwin
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Post by taswegian on Dec 28, 2009 13:32:57 GMT -7
Very nice...what are you using for gear on that one? Both tracks are just a Route 66 around 3 oclock all knobs into a Zbest cab played by my Grosh Set Neck. No pedals. The solo stuff in the outro to "Drift" is an Ulbrick Pro Octavia.
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Post by draco on Dec 28, 2009 21:00:19 GMT -7
me and ecsong187 use them sometimes for metal. well he does, i use them more for stoner/doom/ instrumental stuff. some work better than others. it also depends on your situation and if you like to use pedals or not. what kind of "heavy" music do you mean? Like I said, heavy is obviously a relative term....I guess I'm just curious how much gain and meat can be pulled out of a Z, and which models are more likely to get it done (someone did mention a couple right after your post). I'm not trying to copy any tone in particular, but I'm fond of bands like Tool, VH, The Mars Volta, Isis, Mastodon, Meshuggah, Deftones, AIC, etc....and all kinds in between. There's a pretty wide range of distorted tones in even the bands I just listed, so I was more just looking to see who has seen who play what to get some beefier tones. I have a Ghia right now, but I was looking to see what model Z I might be able to add for when I'm in my heavier moods. I'm not opposed to using pedals as well.
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Post by ecsong187 (Edwin) on Dec 28, 2009 21:10:33 GMT -7
I'd still check out the Stangray w/pedal, SRZ, route 66, Mazerati GT, and the Remedy, but the dr. doesn't build any metal amps like Boogie or Bogner. But good luck! I still stand by the Stangray! with a pedal. Thanks Edwin
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Post by awesome on Dec 28, 2009 21:43:57 GMT -7
Like I said, heavy is obviously a relative term....I guess I'm just curious how much gain and meat can be pulled out of a Z, and which models are more likely to get it done (someone did mention a couple right after your post). I'm not trying to copy any tone in particular, but I'm fond of bands like Tool, VH, The Mars Volta, Isis, Mastodon, Meshuggah, Deftones, AIC, etc....and all kinds in between. There's a pretty wide range of distorted tones in even the bands I just listed, so I was more just looking to see who has seen who play what to get some beefier tones. I have a Ghia right now, but I was looking to see what model Z I might be able to add for when I'm in my heavier moods. I'm not opposed to using pedals as well. those are some heavy bands. like edwin said, with a pedal and the SRZ you could get most of those tones i believe. of course you know its a single channel amp so... you might not like that. while i would like for you to support the Doc some more here is what i remember some of those bands using Tool - Diezel (VH4 i believe) Mars Volta - Orange AD140 ISIS - VHT Pitbull (current amp) AIC - Marshalls & Bogner Shiva and Ecstasy Meshuggah - Line 6 Vetta II (last i heard) Mastodon - Marshall & Laney (various) Deftones - Marshall preamps
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Post by ecsong187 (Edwin) on Dec 29, 2009 0:04:29 GMT -7
I believe Austin and I have given the best advice we can. Truth is honestly I don't think you will be satisfied with an SRZ and a pedal for the tones you are trying to cover. I would check out some of the amps Austin listed, but give the Mesa Boogie Roadster a spin or the Mesa Mark IV or new Mark V Thanks Edwin
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Post by draco on Dec 29, 2009 20:26:22 GMT -7
I believe Austin and I have given the best advice we can. Truth is honestly I don't think you will be satisfied with an SRZ and a pedal for the tones you are trying to cover. I would check out some of the amps Austin listed, but give the Mesa Boogie Roadster a spin or the Mesa Mark IV or new Mark V Thanks Edwin Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to get a Dr. Z to copy the sounds of those bands. I love the tones of any of the Z amps I've heard, so therefore I was wondering how I could keep some great tone like that with maybe some more meat behind it, you know what I mean? I'm not trying to make a Z do something that it's just not designed to do, so that's why I figured I'd ask about heavy sounds that people have heard from them. And just as a reference, I sold my Mesa Mark IV simply because there are too many bells and whistles with that amp and it was way more power than I needed...which eventually led me to fall in love with the Ghia I currently own. I do appreciate all the input, guys.
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Post by taswegian on Dec 29, 2009 20:41:56 GMT -7
I can imagine the Mazerati GT sounding great in many modern rock applications. SRZ will definitely rock ala AIC. And a KT45 would probably be an awesome base for pedals to rock out as well. Need to triple rec out, just grab a triple wreck from Wampler and go for it.
I cover just about everything on my 66 with a boost and a wampler superplextortion
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Post by niner on Jan 4, 2010 10:38:05 GMT -7
You can get GREAT heavy tones out of all the Z's....my Ghia w/ a tone bone hot british, or Ibanez tube king pedal will get huge tight lows,scooped mids,and screaming sustain highs....but if your looking for an amp to do those tones live with a hard hitting drummer and a bass player who's not happy unless the whole place is shaking like an earthquake.....Then my friend you NEED the Dr. Z SRZ 65......It will kill any marshall,mesa,bogner, or vht(fryette). The SRZ, a few pedals, and a 4X12 cab is all you need for rock, metal, or doom !!!!!!!
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Post by bluez on Jan 14, 2010 9:26:24 GMT -7
I've just been invited to join a metal band. I told the guys that I've been in a blues rock band for the last 7 years and play an 18 watt amp (they haven't heard of Z's). So as you might expect, they hesitated. To amuse myself I went to their myspace page and gave a listen. I think I have better "heavy or metal" tone than what I heard on their site and I use a Maz JR, 2 X 12 Avatar w/ G12h30s and an OCD, hot input and a humbucker equipped guitar. Big bottom end with that setup... almost too much. I'm looking forward to our first jam to see how I make out.
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Post by draco on Jan 14, 2010 21:07:41 GMT -7
I think I have better "heavy or metal" tone than what I heard on their site and I use a Maz JR, 2 X 12 Avatar w/ G12h30s and an OCD, hot input and a humbucker equipped guitar. Big bottom end with that setup... almost too much. I'm looking forward to our first jam to see how I make out. I'd love to hear what your setup sounds like playing the heavy stuff.
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Post by taswegian on Jan 15, 2010 5:28:37 GMT -7
I've just been invited to join a metal band. I told the guys that I've been in a blues rock band for the last 7 years and play an 18 watt amp (they haven't heard of Z's). So as you might expect, they hesitated. To amuse myself I went to their myspace page and gave a listen. I think I have better "heavy or metal" tone than what I heard on their site and I use a Maz JR, 2 X 12 Avatar w/ G12h30s and an OCD, hot input and a humbucker equipped guitar. Big bottom end with that setup... almost too much. I'm looking forward to our first jam to see how I make out. Knock em out Bluez!
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Post by kjv02 on Jan 15, 2010 9:17:28 GMT -7
I've just been invited to join a metal band. I told the guys that I've been in a blues rock band for the last 7 years and play an 18 watt amp (they haven't heard of Z's). So as you might expect, they hesitated. To amuse myself I went to their myspace page and gave a listen. I think I have better "heavy or metal" tone than what I heard on their site and I use a Maz JR, 2 X 12 Avatar w/ G12h30s and an OCD, hot input and a humbucker equipped guitar. Big bottom end with that setup... almost too much. I'm looking forward to our first jam to see how I make out. let us know how it goes
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Post by kruzty on Jan 15, 2010 9:26:01 GMT -7
Check out the Barber Dirty Bomb pedal - it would be great for your setup (and, you can still have the nice clean tones from the amp). Also, if you may want to use V30s for your speakers - they seem to be pretty standard for metal players.
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Post by jiseman on Jan 17, 2010 23:45:56 GMT -7
I was in a hard rock band (not really metal) for a few years and my old Mazerati ripped for that stuff. I actually mainly used a Zendrive and a HBE Big D pedalwise and I could get some very, very heavy tones out of that rig. At the end of the day its a bunch of EL84's. Good rock tones can happen.
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Post by robb on Mar 12, 2010 15:16:52 GMT -7
Cranked Stangray thru a Zbest was my metal tone for years. Heavy is in your hands.
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Mar 16, 2010 5:16:19 GMT -7
I use My SRZ and Eats JCM/Boogies all day!!! Its a tone Machine But its Fully Saturated and Pinch Harmonics and sustaining notes are a breeze! It cleans up pretty well too! The KT45 Screams as well, But it may like to be pushed with say , a BB maybe OCD, or whatever your OD flavor is. I use a Timmy in front of mine and it just causes it to get a buit more Bite, and Volume and doesnt muddy or color my tone! DR Z's Stand up to the punishment of the Road, too Night after Night , Gig after Gig, Small Taverns to Coliseums!!!!
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Post by muzacman02 "Jamie" on Mar 16, 2010 5:26:49 GMT -7
Those Boogie Cabs are Loaded with original late 70's EVM/L's and Mesas Version of the Seventy 80's which are know as MC-90s they are very powerful and Are all Rock, They have bone Crushing Low Capabilities as well, Good Luck, You Cant go wrong with any Z, Did you see the You tube Clip of the Stangray for Country? Thats one of the most Clean Amps the DR makes I own one and you heard how It can sound with the right tools in front of it. I use to use that same Plexitube pedal and run my SRZ clean and then Use the pedal for Gain, But that was defeating the SRZ's purpose, so now I use a dual amp Set up, check out my Avatar picture on my Profile, the Stangray/SRZ it is a lethal Combo! The Ray rocks in its own right , but for harder tones the SRZ has a more scopped Mid sound than the EF86 EL84 Stangray!
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Post by asattwanger on Mar 16, 2010 18:54:53 GMT -7
I don't know. I have pedals but if you want a great metal sound and you have a great amp why are we not cranking them to get our metal sound? I mean cranking it wide open.
I can not question the quality and I can not deny the monster metal tones I got out of the RxJr with my EVH 4x12 with single coil guitars. Those tones were mostly the amp pushed and then pushed the front end more. With the Ef-86 ODose being after the pre amp it kinda just begs for a clean boost up front.
The Z-28 could reach great heights and sick metal tones by clean boosting the piss out of it and cranking the dials.
I would have to bet everything on the Remedy being able to be a Metal Monster almost on it's own. I know a Yngwie Malmsteen 308 pedal would surely make it one, but before I did that I would stick a Dragon down it's throat.
Do these things really blow up? I have yet to have an issue.
By the way my little girls are more than able to pump out a hot evening of RC-T metal tones when asked.
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Post by kjv02 on Mar 20, 2010 15:40:54 GMT -7
my 1x10 monza killed our other guitar players 2x12 peavey 5150
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Post by taswegian on Mar 20, 2010 19:44:56 GMT -7
Now that is funny. I'd like to have seen the look on his face! Betcha is sounds huge miked thru Front of House.
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Post by chrisscooter1 on Mar 24, 2010 10:26:11 GMT -7
I had some pretty stellar results setting up a Delta 88 into a Z Best with a Keeley modded Metal Zone hitting it pretty hard. Route 66 with an wide open OCD or a Keeley DS-1 gives up some pretty mean EVH Plexi tones with lots of gain.
These set ups got AB'd a lot with a Bogner Uberschall and Dual Rectifiers and it held its own very well. In some ways better and more unique sounding.
These experiments were lots of fun to mess around with when I used to sell Z's retail.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2010 9:40:55 GMT -7
I can get some pretty good modern rock tones out of my CE 22 in drop d and my Stangray w/ 2x12 blues. I wouldn't use it if I wanted a tight metal sound and pristine cleans live though. In would go for one of the higher wattage Z's out there. I would lean towards a big bottle sound for heavier music.
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