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Post by awesome on Dec 5, 2009 2:22:48 GMT -7
so i've been wanting a 2 amp setup for a while. i figured either the SRZ or the GT.
i havent got to play an SRZ much but i have played the GT quite a few times. and the verdict is I love it. but i have a problem.
am i going to be able to volume match these amps w/o an attentuator. i dont care if its loud, i play quite loud. i just wonder if i will get enough clean to match the GT's dirty.
could i somewhat fix the volume difference by playing thru different speakers, one with a high dB rating and one w/ a low rating?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Dec 5, 2009 17:15:15 GMT -7
The Maz GT and Stingray was a prototype 2 channel amp the Doc had back in 2008 at Z-fest! Great combination!
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Post by taswegian on Dec 5, 2009 17:19:05 GMT -7
Drew now has it!
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Post by mfirst on Dec 6, 2009 9:20:32 GMT -7
I don't own a MAZ GT, but have played through one. After playing on one for a while and owning a Stingray, I'd say that you will find that by the time they are matched you will be pushing the ray into its natural breakup, which as you know still isn't really all that dirty.
I have an SRZ 65 that I often run along with my stingray. The advantage of the 65 is that the master volume is very good. I set the volume of the ray, keeping in mind if I want it to be real chimey or not. The bring the SRZ up to that level. The SRZ sounds great at most volume levels. I find that as long as the master is above 9:00 it sounds good. You will have a more manageable pairing with the SRZ in my opinion.
The big question is what kind of drive sound do you want. The SRZ and the GT are quite different.
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Post by awesome on Dec 6, 2009 15:17:19 GMT -7
yes, i know about the Stangray GT, but i figured that they may have been altered to achieve optimal levels. The big question is what kind of drive sound do you want. The SRZ and the GT are quite different. i dont need a particular kind of drive, just a good one ;D. i like both of them. either one would make me happy really. the SRZ would probably be the most versatile, but i cannot find one for sale used and i dont really need to spend the money on a new one. that GT sure sounds sweet though. maybe i need an EZG-50 to pair w/ it instead of the Ray. got to justify getting as many amps as possible!!!
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Post by mfirst on Dec 6, 2009 15:31:48 GMT -7
If you are not particular about the type of drive you are going to get, I would try to find and SRZ 65. I think you will find that using it along with your ray will be easier being that it has a master volume. I think the ray will start to overdrive if it is keeping up with the GT. The overdriven ray sounds are wonderful, but if you are running an amp for clean and an amp for dirty then you probably want to clean amp to stay nice and clean.
I think the GT will sound awesome in your two amp rig, I just think the SRZ will be easier to use.
As far as the EZG you have plenty of justification to buy one of those too. The cleans of the EZG are totally different in feel and tone than the Stangray.
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Post by awesome on Dec 21, 2009 8:59:23 GMT -7
I've posted about this before. My plan was to my Stingray and my Maz GT into a Radial Headbone (and attenuator) into a Z-Best. I found they didn't work well at all together. The GT is just far too loud to play nicely with the Stingray. I don't have the Maz GT anymore, but I've found that the Stingray does work really well with the Route 66 and SRZ. I'd imagine the Remedy would work well with the Ray as well, but haven't tried it. well, i figure i will use an attentuator. are you opposed to them? or did it not work well even with one? i think the SRZ would be best for pairing but i cannot find one used around me or at any online stores. even if i find the GT doesnt work well as a 2-amp setup, i still want and love the amp!
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Post by drew on Dec 24, 2009 15:06:59 GMT -7
Hey Awesome, I'd recommend pairing the two amps but I might be biased since I have the prototype Stangray/GT. I played and loved the Strangray/GT prototype at the '08 ZFest and have owned it for just a couple of months. I'm not sure about overall volume comparisons since I've not played a Maz GT, and don't I have a Stangay on hand to compare but I can say that the Stangay section of Stangray/GT seems just like the Stangray I owned prior to receiving this amp, volume and tone wise. I suspect that the GT section of the prototype is close to the GT because the amp breaks up early and has lots of gain on tap. It's not a SRZ type of gain as I can tell the output section is driven by el84s. So it's a matter of taste. The volumes of the amps match well in the prototype for me probably because I've always cranked my Stangrays volume starting at 2:00 - 3:00+. I run the GT volume around 9:00 to Noon depending on the type of OD I'm looking. The volume on the GT side comes on fast and is loud at 9:00. It does get a bit louder up to noon but not a lot. And from noon on it's more OD, and might I say it's sweet OD. I'm very happy with the two amps in one box. However, if I had to carry around two amps (I'm not crazy about load in and loud outs) I might try something with EL34 or 6L6 output sections. Have you played a Galaxie. That's also a cool amp for to channel switch for gigging.
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Post by awesome on Dec 24, 2009 15:32:41 GMT -7
Hey Awesome, I'd recommend pairing the two amps but I might be biased since I have the prototype Stangray/GT. I played and loved the Strangray/GT prototype at the '08 ZFest and have owned it for just a couple of months. I'm not sure about overall volume comparisons since I've not played a Maz GT, and don't I have a Stangay on hand to compare but I can say that the Stangay section of Stangray/GT seems just like the Stangray I owned prior to receiving this amp, volume and tone wise. I suspect that the GT section of the prototype is close to the GT because the amp breaks up early and has lots of gain on tap. It's not a SRZ type of gain as I can tell the output section is driven by el84s. So it's a matter of taste. The volumes of the amps match well in the prototype for me probably because I've always cranked my Stangrays volume starting at 2:00 - 3:00+. I run the GT volume around 9:00 to Noon depending on the type of OD I'm looking. The volume on the GT side comes on fast and is loud at 9:00. It does get a bit louder up to noon but not a lot. And from noon on it's more OD, and might I say it's sweet OD. I'm very happy with the two amps in one box. However, if I had to carry around two amps (I'm not crazy about load in and loud outs) I might try something with EL34 or 6L6 output sections. Have you played a Galaxie. That's also a cool amp for to channel switch for gigging. 3:00 on Ray? wouldnt be much clean at that level. i'd have to get some colder tubes and yeah i know the GT gain is different than the SRZ's, i've played both and loved both. i haven't got a chance to play the Galaxie, but i thought i heard they also suffer a volume mismatch between channels, hence the master volume mod? i do like the sound of some vintage tweed though. preferably i wouldnt want to carry two amps either, but i hate the clean sound in pretty much all channel switching amps.
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Post by drew on Dec 24, 2009 16:40:01 GMT -7
Well, for the most part I use low output single coil pickups and roll my guitar volume back and from what I can tell it seems like a good clean tone even at 3:00. My ears could be shot! I'm fine with the 2 channel volumes with the original Galaxie design but think I'm in the minority. Different strokes for different folks. I ran the clean volume around 1:00 - 2:00 and Ch 2 volume around 10:00 to 1:00 where there's a difference in the volume but it was a difference that worked well for me when playing with a band. IMHO there's a lot to love about the Galaxie's clean channel but we all have different likes which is a good thing.
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Dec 26, 2009 16:29:57 GMT -7
I've posted about this before. My plan was to my Stingray and my Maz GT into a Radial Headbone (and attenuator) into a Z-Best. I found they didn't work well at all together. The GT is just far too loud to play nicely with the Stingray. I don't have the Maz GT anymore, but I've found that the Stingray does work really well with the Route 66 and SRZ. I'd imagine the Remedy would work well with the Ray as well, but haven't tried it. well, i figure i will use an attenuator. are you opposed to them? or did it not work well even with one? i think the SRZ would be best for pairing but i cannot find one used around me or at any online stores. even if i find the GT doesnt work well as a 2-amp setup, i still want and love the amp! Awsome, I run my GT Air Braked all the time. In my most recent two amp set-up w/ the SRZ, it's usually attenuated to 2 or 3 depending on how loud I have the SRZ set. I'll set the SRZ volume first and then attenuate the GT to match. I think you'd have no problem matching the GT w/ an attenuator to a Ray. I must say, however, I do not like the GT attenuated to Bedroom on the Air Brake. It sounds too fizzy/fuzzy. The SRZ is a great amp, and very versatile w/ it's MV. But I wouldn't rule out the GT. On the lower (louder) attenuation settings, I think it sounds just as good as unattenuated.
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Post by Don on Feb 11, 2010 18:27:08 GMT -7
I, too played the Stangray/GT at Zfest when Doc first showed it. I was tickled by the amp, but the sound I get when I run my Stingray and GT together (with a Framptone) is unbelievable! To get that drive and that phenomenal Stingray fat tone all at once, brings the goosebumps out.
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Post by Rich (fbb90) on Feb 11, 2010 22:08:56 GMT -7
I, too played the Stangray/GT at Zfest when Doc first showed it. I was tickled by the amp, but the sound I get when I run my Stingray and GT together (with a Framptone) is unbelievable! To get that drive and that phenomenal Stingray fat tone all at once, brings the goosebumps out. That's a whole lot of EL84 TONE... ;D
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Post by Merks on Feb 21, 2010 10:00:20 GMT -7
Ok........ YMMV? Translation please?
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Post by Jaguarguy (Mike) on Feb 21, 2010 13:22:23 GMT -7
Your Milage may vary
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Post by Merks on Feb 21, 2010 16:08:28 GMT -7
Thank you...... now I can sleep tonight!
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Post by mtlrecords on Feb 21, 2010 20:01:10 GMT -7
SRZ- all the way. Nothing against the Mazerati GT, but if you already have a quad EL84 amp (i.e. the Stangray) then something complementary and with a RIDICULOUS master volume is in order. I am about to be running an EZG-50 alongside a SRZ-65 which is kind of the same thing.
I will comment that the Galaxie can pair up well with amps too, but volume matching can be tricky, both with the two channels on the Galaxie itself and in regard to other amps.
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Post by Pete aka shouldb on Feb 22, 2010 7:27:44 GMT -7
Thank you...... now I can sleep tonight! +1 on that!! ;D
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