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Post by fretts on Jul 13, 2005 23:10:57 GMT -7
I want to pass on my opinion about these speakers.
I heard the Weber alnico Blue Dogs in a friend's 2-12 cab and decided that was the sound for me. I rounded up a pair and put them in a nice '60's Bassman 2-12 cab that I bought empty. Went to a jam with this setup and I couldn't believe it; they sounded absolutely horrible. Like cardboard. Went to a friendly amp shop and they let me stuff various good 12's in a cabinet and A-B them to my cab with the Blues in it... The longer I did this, the harder it got to decide which was better. I realized that these speakers NEED TO BE BROKEN IN, and I was breaking them in during the test, and they were changing, improving, right under my nose. By the end of the test, the Weber 'Dogs sounded absolutely fantastic, and I ended up going home with the speakers I walked in with. Now I can say with confidence: The Weber alnico Blue Dog speakers - once they are broken in, are a super match for the unique qualities of the 66. The voicing seems to latch on to the creamy quality of the 66 and really bring it out. As far as I am concerned, that's it, these are the ones. Most likely the Vox Blues, which these are a clone of, require the same break-in period (couple of hours) and the difference is not subtle, it is like night and day.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Jul 14, 2005 22:09:39 GMT -7
I hate you!!!! You're gonna cost me money now I was thinking about getting 2 Weber 12A125's for my Z Best but now you've got me wanting to upgrade to the AlNiCo Blue Dogs.
I used to have a 2x12 with 1 Blue Dog aand 1 Silver Bell(both Ceramic) and really liked the cab. Having recently discovered the beauty of AlNiCo I can imagine that the AlNiCo dogs sound great.
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Post by Beckanon on Jul 18, 2005 17:50:49 GMT -7
I have one ceramic Blue dog in my avatar cab, and it matches well with the G12H30. The G12 provides the thump and the Blue Dog has a nice creamy top end.
Do it, Laroosco...you know you want to. Do it. Do it!
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Post by Laroosco!! on Jul 18, 2005 20:32:08 GMT -7
Thanks Joe. Send me $340 and I'll order the speakers for my cab;D You do know that the Ceramic Blue Dog is Webers answer to the Greenback, right?
I hadn't had a chance to play my Z Best yet when I made my last post. I just got done rehersing for 3 hours with my Brothers band and I can't imagine it sounding any better. My Z Best has a GB and a G12H30. I have a spare 16ohm GB sitting at home. I might try 2 GB's too.
I still think that 2 AlNiCo Dogs woulod sound great but I need new pup's for my Strat and DOT still so that will have to wait.
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Post by ruger9 on Jul 19, 2005 2:54:51 GMT -7
You do know that the Ceramic Blue Dog is Webers answer to the Greenback, right? I thought Weber's Blue Dog was the "answer" to the Celestion Blue Alnico, no?
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Post by Laroosco!! on Jul 19, 2005 6:05:56 GMT -7
You do know that the Ceramic Blue Dog is Webers answer to the Greenback, right? I thought Weber's Blue Dog was the "answer" to the Celestion Blue Alnico, no? The AlNiCo version is but it says on the Weber sight that the Ceramic Blue Dog is a direct replacement for the Greenback.
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Post by Beckanon on Jul 19, 2005 19:39:03 GMT -7
Well dip me in goo....I hadn't the slightest clue on that one!
Hmmm...so I essentially have a green in there. I almost bought a Celestion Green a few months ago.
Maybe I should ACTUALLY try an Alnico Blue now...that would be novel! Maybe a Red Fang.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Aug 8, 2005 13:34:59 GMT -7
I just ordered a Red Fang for my Z Best.
I'll let everyone know how the G12H30/Red Fang sound together.
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Post by Laroosco!! on Sept 13, 2005 14:55:16 GMT -7
HUGE difference with the Fang in the Z Best.Witth the RF/G12H30 combo it is so much clearer and it finally has the clear top end that I love.
The only thing I want to do now is get another Red Fang to replace the G12H30.
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Post by DRZ on Sept 13, 2005 15:42:39 GMT -7
Guy's Ted has come a long way. I recall the P-12-Z he built for me back in1995 , ( it's now the Silver Bell BTW ) , they do sound much better , and yes they do need a bit of brake in to sing.
DR.Z
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Post by viddarenca on Nov 14, 2005 13:32:57 GMT -7
Right now Im using the zbest 2x10 cab with Z's speakers. How do these differ from the blues? Id really like to get a bit more chime and high end out of the 66.
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Post by jb on Nov 14, 2005 14:02:02 GMT -7
I am curious as well. Currently running a single G12H and could use a little more high end especially with my Les Paul, which seems to sound better through my Fender 4X10.
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Post by JChance on Nov 14, 2005 17:47:39 GMT -7
Ted has told me on a number of occasions, that often times a certain Weber model won't get it's proper due because folks don't account for proper speaker break in. And Weber's stuff is built TOUGH, and requires an even longer break-in than most other speakers.
I had a "standard" 50 watt 12F150 (C12N) in a '66 Deluxe Reverb, and didn't really dig it at first. It sounded "stuffy," and didn't give the airyness I was looking for out of a vintage Deluxe Reverb. However, after several shows at performance levels, I noticed it changed DRASTICALLY. Much looser and responsive. I ended up swapping it out for a ceramic Weber California, but only because I wanted the extra headroom and sparkle for what I was using the amp for. Same deal with the Cali.... Sounded a little dull at first, but then really opened the amp up as it was used more.
In my MAZ Sr (2 12" combo), I have one Silver Bell and one Blue Dog. Both are 30 watts, and both are ceramic. I wanted to extra punch and headroom of the ceramic speakers. I went with 30 watt versions because, as was mentioned earlier in this thread, those two models are the closest thing to a Greenback. The Silver Bell is a little smoother, the Blue Dog has a little more chime & bite, but both are VERY close. It's a great combo in a 2 12" Z amp. If you dig the compression of alnico, those are awesome, too.
JC
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