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Post by impactblue on Dec 5, 2008 1:46:55 GMT -7
Hey all! I've had my Maz 18 NR and Air brake for a few days now..and lovin it! I play with the Volume and master between 12 and 2....and it is very loud! I use the air brake at maximum attentuation....but it is nowhere near useable at night...! Still very loud! Is it possible to tweak the airbrake to chop off more than the maximum 30db? Cheers!
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Post by jb on Dec 6, 2008 9:13:11 GMT -7
Using the bedroom level dialed to minimum takes my ghia down very well. It seems that Maz with its master volume should get you to a usable level.
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Post by carmenrider on Dec 8, 2008 18:11:50 GMT -7
I'm about to post the same question but I got Ghia. My normal volume in Ghia at home is about 7 o'clock which is just a little turn from zero. Once I got my AB, I can dial to 9am. How can I tweak AB and be able to dial my volume to 2pm? ANYONE? Please help. TO impactblue, sorry to jam your post. I think we have the same problem here. Neighbor start to complain. PS: I'm not sure if I plug the jack to 4ohm will help.... My ghia is 210 combo.
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Post by smolder on Dec 8, 2008 18:29:02 GMT -7
PS: I'm not sure if I plug the jack to 4ohm will help.... My ghia is 210 combo. It will not. (that's not what its for) But the brutal truth... There is no way that the airbrake set on bedroom will sound like it does when it is roaring. Just not going to happen. Something about the way your ears hear... there is a volume threshold needed to get full tonal range. Some on will likely pitch in here about the 'curve'. The loudness is part of the tone and sound... that we like so much. It will be a compromise... but it can still be good... just not really loud sounding. Try setting the airbrake first and then adjusting the amp. The tone control can help... it also helps to turn the volume down on the guitar.
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Post by cheycaster on Dec 8, 2008 20:53:32 GMT -7
if you have a Z 2x1o cab, then it should be in the 8 ohm jack. cheycaster
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Post by nori22 on Dec 8, 2008 21:05:01 GMT -7
Have you tried messing with the internal settings,those slidie things? There may be quite a bit of adjustability in there. Havn't tried it myself, but havn't had a reason to either. "just sayin"
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Post by brad737 on Dec 8, 2008 22:47:39 GMT -7
I find that the THD Hotplate cuts quite a bit more volume than the Airbrake. Maybe my Airbrake was defective. But the -30db reduction on the Airbrake seemed like about 8 db of reduction on the Hotplate.
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Post by awesome on Dec 9, 2008 0:05:56 GMT -7
Hey Smolder, the "curve" you're speaking of is the Fletcher-Muenson curve. just so you know.
i'm having flashbacks of recording industry classes in college.
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Post by smolder on Dec 9, 2008 6:44:24 GMT -7
Thanks awesome... a very smart person once said to me 'you don't need to know everything, just those that do'. In this case it was partly me being too lazy to go look it up. btw/fwiw - it is a topic well worth taking some time to read up on, if only via wikipedia.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2008 8:05:58 GMT -7
Hey all! I've had my Maz 18 NR and Air brake for a few days now..and lovin it! I play with the Volume and master between 12 and 2....and it is very loud! I use the air brake at maximum attentuation....but it is nowhere near useable at night...! Still very loud! Is it possible to tweak the airbrake to chop off more than the maximum 30db? Cheers! One thing I like about the Carmen Ghia is that I don't need an airbreak on it. I used to get so many complaints from my family when I practiced with the Ray. Cripes I had it all the way down to 2 and still they complained. Now with the Ghia I set it on 9 o clock and it has a fuller crunchier sound then the ray at low volumes and I get no complaints.
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Post by impactblue on Dec 9, 2008 16:35:48 GMT -7
I find that the THD Hotplate cuts quite a bit more volume than the Airbrake. Maybe my Airbrake was defective. But the -30db reduction on the Airbrake seemed like about 8 db of reduction on the Hotplate. Is there an explanation for that? Or does that means the air brake is bollocks...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2008 16:52:22 GMT -7
I find that the THD Hotplate cuts quite a bit more volume than the Airbrake. Maybe my Airbrake was defective. But the -30db reduction on the Airbrake seemed like about 8 db of reduction on the Hotplate. Is there an explanation for that? Or does that means the air brake is bollocks... I also thought my air break was defective. It always had a fuzzy distorted sound to it, especially noticaeble when running the amp fairly clean. But I had 2 different ones and they did the same thing. the more you clicked it down the worse it got. I talked to another guy I know that has one and before I even told him my experiences he complained the very same thing.
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Post by impactblue on Dec 9, 2008 17:10:30 GMT -7
Haha...no it sounds good...I just meant...does the air brake reduce SPL as much as it says it does?
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Post by awesome on Dec 9, 2008 22:12:51 GMT -7
the 30db reduction can be achieved when it is in Bedroom mode.
the regular mode, however, is a 3dB reduction in the first click and another 1.8dB each click thereafter. these can be more by adjusting the internal settings
if it is still too loud in the bedroom setting, i'm not sure what the problem is because i've used one with a couple of Z's and at maximum setting it made them very, very quiet, too quiet actually.
maybe you should think about decoupling the amp/cabinent from the floor too. and using less efficient speakers.
i hope this helps. if all else fails get rid of your neighbors and family!
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Post by zdogma on Dec 10, 2008 5:23:11 GMT -7
Is there an explanation for that? Or does that means the air brake is bollocks... I also thought my air break was defective. It always had a fuzzy distorted sound to it, especially noticaeble when running the amp fairly clean. But I had 2 different ones and they did the same thing. the more you clicked it down the worse it got. I talked to another guy I know that has one and before I even told him my experiences he complained the very same thing. Yeah, I find they all do that to some extent. I sold my AB a few years ago to get a Hotplates, then a Weber, both were pretty much the same, anything past about 6dB of attenuation and it gets all compressed and fuzzy sounding. Its especially bad with the GT. I ended up getting some of Ted Weber's "low efficiency" speakers, they're a set of silver and blue alnicos, and that really cuts the volume a lot, and sounds great (I notice the bass is reduced a fair bit, but otherwise good) I often run that cab with a little bit of attenuation as well.
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Post by brad737 on Dec 10, 2008 7:06:10 GMT -7
I think I'm in the minority here, but I find the Hotplate to be a better attenuator than the Airbrake and the Marshall Power Brake (the only others I've tried). The Hotplate gets quieter, and has switches that allow you to add back what you've lost due to extreme attenuation. Also, contrary to popular opinion, you don't have to get separate Hotplates for different speaker cabs. You can use the 16-ohm Hotplate with 4 or 8 ohm cabs. You just can't use a smaller Hotplate for a higher load. For example, you can't run a 16-ohm cabinet with the 4-ohm Hotplate. Just get the 16-ohm version and be done with it.
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Post by bustertheboy on Dec 12, 2008 2:13:12 GMT -7
Hey all! I've had my Maz 18 NR and Air brake for a few days now..and lovin it! I play with the Volume and master between 12 and 2....and it is very loud! I use the air brake at maximum attentuation....but it is nowhere near useable at night...! Still very loud! Is it possible to tweak the airbrake to chop off more than the maximum 30db? Cheers! One thing I like about the Carmen Ghia is that I don't need an airbreak on it. I used to get so many complaints from my family when I practiced with the Ray. Cripes I had it all the way down to 2 and still they complained. Now with the Ghia I set it on 9 o clock and it has a fuller crunchier sound then the ray at low volumes and I get no complaints. Your family must be a bit deafer than mine! Maybe we could swap? Brett
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Post by kmac on Dec 18, 2008 19:48:40 GMT -7
I finally went inside the AirBrake and made some adjustments to the "sliders" as recommended in the mannual, and I was able to get it to suit my needs better
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Post by impactblue on Jan 5, 2009 15:38:36 GMT -7
the 30db reduction can be achieved when it is in Bedroom mode. the regular mode, however, is a 3dB reduction in the first click and another 1.8dB each click thereafter. these can be more by adjusting the internal settings if it is still too loud in the bedroom setting, i'm not sure what the problem is because i've used one with a couple of Z's and at maximum setting it made them very, very quiet, too quiet actually. maybe you should think about decoupling the amp/cabinent from the floor too. and using less efficient speakers. i hope this helps. if all else fails get rid of your neighbors and family! Raising the amp off the floor actually reduces the volume? I'm trying a pair of Greenbacks in them soon so that'll give me some nice reduction in volume too..>!
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Post by shimonma on Jan 27, 2009 15:38:59 GMT -7
I am using Celection V30 for my 1x12 cab (Dr.z) and it's realy loud . So replacing them to Ted Weber's "low efficiency" will cut down the volume , but does it sounds like the V30 ? Don't want to loose that ....
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Post by zdogma on Jan 27, 2009 16:05:21 GMT -7
I am using Celection V30 for my 1x12 cab (Dr.z) and it's realy loud . So replacing them to Ted Weber's "low efficiency" will cut down the volume , but does it sounds like the V30 ? Don't want to loose that .... The lower efficiency speakers seem to cut the volume about as much as 3 clicks on the airbrake, when you compare them to the Celestion Gold (same SPL as the V30) when I use them with the Route 66. I gues that would be about a 6dB cut. So it takes the volume from really loud, to just plain loud. It doesn't make it a bedroom amp by any means. If you ask Ted he can make you his version of the V30 with a smaller magnet (like a 20 oz) That will cut the volume. It also reduces the bass significantly, but that might be OK depending on the situation and the amp you use.
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Post by asattwanger on Feb 1, 2009 15:34:57 GMT -7
If you want to be respectable at 2am to other people in your house the only thing you can do is head phone or go play in the bathroom unplugged. I much perfer the bathroom over crappy transistor sounds that my Br-600 has.
That's just be honest.
DAVE
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