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Post by ruger9 on Dec 12, 2007 15:29:21 GMT -7
Who has tried more than one kind of speaker with the Jr? I'd be interested in your observations... I have only played it thru a 1x12 open-back Red Fang, because that's the only cab I have that's 8 ohms. It's actually the Black Pearl combo I have.
Truth be told, I've stopped playing my Jr. I think the Red Fang is a BAD match for it, it seems to be harsh in the highs, lacking mids/thoatiness. I'd call it "scooped" as a matter of fact. In short, the RxJR does NOT sound like the soundclips I've heard here, and I can't get the sound out of it I want. If there was already a Blue or Gold in there and I felt this way, it'd be getting sold. THAT'S how much I DON'T like what I'm hearing. I'm thinking it's got to be the speaker.
I know Webers darken the tone (in a good way), and even the Celestion Blue/Golds are probably warmer than the Red Fang. I'm in a position where I'm looking to buy a Weber Blue just to "test" the Jr out to make sure it's the amp for me... I LOVE the sound of the RXES, and the clips I've heard of the Jr sound great too. But mine won't sound like that. It's gotta' be the speaker. And I can't sell the Jr before trying a different speaker, I could never forgive myself.
Ironically, the Red Fang sounds AMAZING with my Genz Benz Black Pearl, just goes to show you you have to match the speaker to the amp... even if they are both EL84 AC30-inspired amps with 12" speakers.
HELP!
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Post by ruger9 on Dec 12, 2007 15:32:08 GMT -7
oh... and just to show you where I'm coming from, I've found these "nuggets" speaker comparison right here on the Z-forum:
Cel. Blue: best sounding overall, most articulate, bright, very compressed with 18 watt amps, modest bass response. Cone cry to some extent on high notes way up the neck. Loud as heck.
Weber 30 watt blue: very similar tonality to the Cel. blue. Less bright, less volume. Better, bigger bass response. Less compressed, less cone breakup. No cone cry.
Red Fang: Similar to Cel. blue, less detailed, slightly more raw and grainy. Very good blues players speaker. Excellent bass response, maybe a bit more than the Weber. No cone cry, but lots of speaker breakup. Also loud as heck, but no louder than the Cel. Blue.
Gold: (vs. Red Fang) Gold doens't sound like Red Fang. Gold sounds bigger, fatter, smoother, etc.... i think Red Fang is raunchier sounding speaker while Gold being more refined. Red Fang is also much peakier than Gold. i haven't considered installing Beam Blocker with Gold. i had to use one with Red Fang.
I have the Celestion Blues and I have the Weber Blue Dog and Silver Bell AlNiCo both 50W. The Webers are definitely not as bright as the Celestion Blue. I have a 30 Watt Weber Silver on order and was told that it would be brighter than the 50 Watt and close to the Celestion Blue. I was told that the 50 Watt Weber Blue is very close to the Celestion Gold.
On top of that, I know Brad uses (or used) Weber 50W Blues, and I remember Zac or Chad saying here "the Webers do darken the tone the alot.", which seems to be exactly what I need...
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Post by bluzman on Dec 12, 2007 18:32:52 GMT -7
In my new 1x12 Thiele ported cabs I have the EVM12L and a Weber 30 Watt AlNiCo Silver Bell in the other. The 30 Watt Silver Bell is it for me!! In this cab I like it better than the 50 Watt Al Blue or Silver. The EVM is too dark for me but will appeal to some.
I also like the 2x10 open back with the Weber Ceramic Blue Pup and Ceramic Silver 10. BUT the 1x12 sings!
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Post by guitarstan on Dec 13, 2007 13:13:09 GMT -7
I'm using a few different speaker/cab combinations for different projects. I've had really good results with a pair of China Greenbacks, Celestion Gold/Blue and Weber AlNico Blue and Silver 30 or 50 watters. I can always dial in a winning tone with any of those just listed.
I've read too many negative reviews of Eminence speakers relative to my needs and perceptions, thus I have never tried one and cannot speak to the tonal differences. Last I heard Jason G. preferred the Weber Blue Alnico to any other speaker for the RX Jr.
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Post by dock66 on Dec 13, 2007 14:30:24 GMT -7
RX Jr and C-Gold=sweeeeeet.
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Post by 95strat on Dec 17, 2007 15:07:47 GMT -7
I think I'm going to try a Weber Blue 30 watt.
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Post by bluzman on Jan 1, 2008 11:49:05 GMT -7
I like how all of the speakers I've tried with the RxJr sound, but after playing a few gigs with this baby opened up and a Les Paul I think the ceramic speakers sound best, but with a Fender the Alnico speakers sound best... but for all around I think the 30 W 12" AlNiCo Silver Bell is the right one for me. The volume difference is amazing going from the AlNiCo to Ceramic.
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jan 1, 2008 13:33:39 GMT -7
Well, 1st... Karma for your honesty, and it could be that the RX Jr is not the amp for you... BUT...
If you like the sound clips... then I say it IS for you because it can sound like that (and actually to hear it "live" it sounds MUCH better than any of the clips IMHO).
So my advice is Yes, try a different speaker... and maybe a different cab... I'd say it's a combination of the "speaker" you're using and ALSO the cab may not be right for the RX.
if you don't wanna buy one, see if you can hook up with a Z-bro nearby and maybe borrow some different ones to try with it, Also maybe you could stepback and let someone else play, dial up YOUR amp while you step back and listen to the difference's?
Now, I Primarily use a strat but I have tele's also... so my questions start with...
What guitar do you use? and maybe what Style do you primarily play... I'm assuming it's a tele?
Now, the speaker makes a big difference... but the Cabinet it's in makes a difference too... and it's ALL real subjective... what works for us may not work for you and vice- versa.
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I think the Weber Blue is just a GREAT all around multi purpose speaker for different styles... great with Tele's and also with strats. May not quite give you the Mid's for certain blues/ strat stuff...
I think with my Strat the Silverbell is just fat N sweeet... Alnico is chewy and the ceramic has a lot of bite. Has some nice Mids that the Blue doesn't have... especially with the Strat.
+ Those Weber's are smooth and never harsh...
and unlike Bluzman, I personally like the 50 watters in every speaker mentioned BETTER than the 30 watters so like I said... it's really up to the player and YMMV. But the Weber's have worked well in every cab I've tried them in.
I played Stan's C-Gold in a Z 1x12 cab and THAT is an amazing speaker with the RX JR too... Stan can tell you what that thing sounded like even with my STRAT (and not a tele)... It's a little louder than the Webers and has a little more bite/ speaker drive in a good way and alot of headroom too.
Could easily get along with the RX JR and the C-Gold myself.
ALSO... I've had the opportunity due to Shannon falling in love with Tone Tubbies to borrow peaches old Green Ghia's 2x12 cab loaded with an Alnico and a ceramic tone tubby and WOW... I liked it the best with the Maz Jr and it sounds amazing with Shannon's Ghia but sounded very good with the RX JR too. The Tubbies are even a little warmer/smoother than the Webers and are some of the best speakers for a strat I've heard...
I'd like to try and mix a ceramic tubby with and Alnico Bluedog and I might just do that in my Z-best next... ;D
Worst come to worst, before ya sell it... I'd send you one of my extra blue dog's or a silverbell to try, But the only problem is ya still really need a cab to put it in so you can really hear what it can do... even that Red Fang might do better for the RX if it's in another cab...
Doc's new convertible cab's with a C-gold, Bluedog or Silverbell, Tone Tubby or maybe a G12-h30 with a beamblocker would ALL sound good to me...
Also a stock Z-best would roar... I personally would use Beam blockers with any of the celestions except maybe with the Gold.
My $.02 hope it helps,
don't give up on it yet, but let us know what ya try, what ya like and don't like and why... Good luck.
Jason
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Post by Curt on Jan 1, 2008 18:44:36 GMT -7
I'll give ya $500 for the RxJr, no sense in wasting your time with it.
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Post by 95strat on Jan 1, 2008 22:24:22 GMT -7
Jason, can you give a one to one comparison of the C-Gold and the Weber Bluedog? I've got a V30 in my convertible Z, but really want to try something else (even wish I had a G12H).
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Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Jan 1, 2008 23:51:18 GMT -7
Jason, can you give a one to one comparison of the C-Gold and the Weber Bluedog? I've got a V30 in my convertible Z, but really want to try something else (even wish I had a G12H). Well, of course if ya want to use a 30 watter you'll need to go with a Bluedog which would be a very nice match... and I must say I LIKE MORE headroom thus I prefer the 50 watters and I feel they push them hard enough for my taste, but do not push them into alot of speaker drive ( which I don't like). If I wanted to really drive the speaker harder, i'd use a Celestion Blue/ or I prefer a pair, a green back or G12 H30, or a lower wattage Weber. But as for a ROUGH comparison between a 50 watt Bluedog and the 50 watt C-Gold; now others can chime in here but my impression is that the Bluedog is similar to a Celestion blue but a little smoother, warmer in a good way, nice top end and chime, with a little less bite... but overall a very very nice speaker. To me, the C-Gold is a little more agressive ( a little more like and basically a louder Celestion Blue) Warm with a little more bite and a sweet top end... again, not quite as smooth as the Weber's, but this also is in a good way... just a different version of the same flavor. To me the C-gold seems to be a more efficient speaker and seems louder ( in your face) to me than the 50 watt Bluedog... so the Gold might be good if you need more oomph. or if ya need a little less oomph and a little more smoothness, maybe a Bluedog... Both handle the Lows well. either would be WAY better to me than the vintage 30 which I have only ever liked in the stock Z-best. I could flip a coin and go with the 50 watt bluedog or C-Gold either way with the RX ES. they are both outstanding. Bluzman is selling a Blue and a Silver 50 watt Alnico's for a good price, if I needed one I snatch em up and try em out... could always sell the one you don't want or both and move on to the C-Gold... a Greenback or a G12 H30 would sound great in the convertible cab too for a cheaper alternative... That convertible Z cab is very nice and you should easily put one of these speakers in for an outstanding set-up with the RX JR. Bottom Line: It really just boils down to what you're looking for and you really have to bite the bullet and just try the one you think suits your style the best. Let us all know what you guy's try and what you like or don't like... I'd love to hear others thoughts about the Webers and the C-Golds... Jason
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Post by ruger9 on Jan 2, 2008 5:46:56 GMT -7
oh, I'm not "giving up" on her. It's a great sounding amp. And I'm not expecting "Marshall Mids" out of it or anything. I just think the Red Fang, while paired PERFECTLY with my Black Pearl, isn't the best speaker for the RxJR.
I am going to get a Weber 50W Alnico Blue & a Boogafunk 1x12 cab... not sure if I'm going ported or open-back. I think part of me just had to realize that the Z is a great amp AT WHAT IT DOES... if I want to rock out, I'll play something gainier & middier. Nothin' wrong with having a FEW amps!
FYI, Bluzman's Blue/Silver won't work in the RxJR... they are 16ohms, and the Jr doesn't have 16 ohm taps.
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Post by 95strat on Jan 4, 2008 11:22:06 GMT -7
Karma again for you Jason! Thanks for the feedback. I'll swoop something in the next month. Maybe I'll have some birthday money to burn by then.
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Post by jammergreg on Jan 4, 2008 19:04:42 GMT -7
I hve a RX Jr. Head W/ a Z convertalble 1X12 G12H (very nice) . I'm going to get a Z Best With the Stock V30 and G12H. Everybody that has a Z Best Says "Its the Bomb" I makes sence to me one 12" gooood!!! : Two 12s REALLLL GOOOOOOOOD!!!!!! any Thoughts ?
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Post by 95strat on Jan 4, 2008 19:41:58 GMT -7
Yeah, the Zbest is the bomb. I've played one and wouldn't change a thing.
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Post by taswegian on Jan 10, 2008 18:26:06 GMT -7
Anyone played through a decent quad like an old vintage marshall with greenies? I'd be interested to know how that sounds given how good the ES sounds through a quad. With the lower wattage I would think you could get away with it on stage too.
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Post by Fiestared69 on Jan 11, 2008 9:53:35 GMT -7
I haven't found a speaker that I like better than a single 25watt 8ohm Greenback. This amp has alot of highs an this is a little darker speaker so they compliment each other.
I used this combonation at a blues gig last weekend and was very pleased. Had more gurth than the other players Fender Super Reverb. I used a RC boost for push for a lead but thats it!
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Post by bluzman on Jan 11, 2008 10:31:32 GMT -7
I am liking the Ceramic Weber 10s Silver and Blue. I have a 12" Ceramic Silver Bell and Blue Dog enroute as I type. I am going to install them in my boogafunk cabs. I have a feeling that they will be fun to play with. The Alnicos, while nice are not as loud and with 15 watts I want to hear the RxJr do it's thang.
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Post by telejas on Oct 19, 2008 20:41:57 GMT -7
Ok, to revive an old thread..
Based on some recent speaker trials, I've come to find that the Black Pearl really LOVES the Red Fang, where the Stangray likes the Weber Alnico Blue MUCH better. It's funny how much difference speakers make??? Both speakers are supposed to be based on the Celestion Blue, but both sound and react completely different, but still retain the Alnico tone.
My thoughts.... If you can afford to get a Weber Alnico Blue for a Dr Z amp, or even a Celestion blue/gold, get that..... They sound much better than a Red Fang with the Rx (jr/Es) and Stangray.
That being said, the Red Fang still sounds good, but is a bit more scooped out sounding and has a lower bass requency throw. This is why the Red Fang probably sounds "scooped" with his RxJr..... I noticed the same thing with my Ray, the RF sounds scooped...... the Blue sounds perfect for that amp. (Makes me wish I tried a Weber Blue with my Maz Sr).
Just my $.02 worth.
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Post by bluzman on Oct 19, 2008 21:38:49 GMT -7
Some great points... I've been using a C-Gold in a 1x12 convertible and a 1x12 TP. I also use the Weber Silver Bell and Weber blue, on in an open backed 1x12 and one in a 1x12 TP... I think it's important to stay in the lower wattage Weber AlNiCos with the RxJr... and the StangRay for that matter. 30 or 15 watts. The 50 Watts were too "muffled for lack of a better word. My 2x10 convertible can get too boomy depending on application and volume.
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Post by JumpMarine on Oct 20, 2008 11:39:55 GMT -7
In my limited trials for 1x12's, I preferred an 8ohm Greenback to either the G12H30, Blue or Gold. There was a better balance, to my ears, of highs and lows. The G12h30 was too bassy and the Blue and Gold were too bright for my taste. I've really got to run the trials again on the Blue and Gold because I think that I'm missing something with all of the love shown these two speakers.
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Post by portsider on Oct 23, 2008 9:07:12 GMT -7
Just my own experiences. I have a Swamp Thang in a 1x12 Avatar Marshall style closed back and I like it. I tried a G12-h30 in the same cab and hated it. I could not believe how harsh and shrill it made the Jr sound. I figured the G12-h30 was a slam dunk since everyone regards them so highly, but not with my setup to my ears. The Swamp Thang is a 150 watt speaker, but it sounds quite nice and has a lot of low end. Those two speakers are all I have tried so far.
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Post by mcook217 on Oct 23, 2008 17:39:08 GMT -7
I'm running my rx jr head with an open-back Z 2x12 with a Celestion Alnico Blue and a G12H and it's a really great pair for the amp, the percusive sound of the amp is really accentuated and really makes the amps clean tones sparkle.
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Post by zane on Oct 23, 2008 21:51:57 GMT -7
I'm lovin' my 1012 cab loaded with 10" & 12" Scumback "Greenback" clones... sounds MYT GOOD!!!
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