Hi guys, I have mentioned in some of my other posts that a Stingray stereo rig would be great. Though I do not know if I will ever have two stingray's I would like to run to of my amps in stereo. At least both at the same time. What are some methods to accomplish this? I have done some reading in to switchers and the Radial Switchbone and the Lehle products seem to come up a lot. Are there any other ways? Any info will be extremely appreciated.
Last Edit: Feb 18, 2006 13:24:07 GMT -7 by aruntang
I use a Voodoo Labs amp switcher. Has 1 in and 4 out with a tuner out as well. Costs about $230-$240 and is well worth it. I've used it with my Shiva and Trem-O-Verb in the past and it performed well. It doesn't color my sound very much either, it's almost as if it wasn't in my signal chain at all.
Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Feb 18, 2006 14:09:10 GMT -7
I use a radial switchbone (also has the separate tuner out w/ mute switch, if you have a non true bypass tuner) and I mainly use the FRAMPTONE three banger (has a serparate tuner out) for 3 out instead of 2 .... works great... there are alot of really good ABY switchers out these day's
Just a side note.... for stereo out some guy's use a pedal (maybe a chorus) that has a stereo out (dual outs on it) but you may only have the "stereo" going that way as long as you have that pedal on...
I thought about throwin my ghia in the mix by getting a leslie type simulator with dual outs (lo-high rotor) so when I turned the leslie thing on it would have a cool DUAL rotor sound with one of the outs going only to the ghia when I turned the leslie simulator on..... decided against it cause I just wouldn't use that effect that much...
oops, just noticed this was in the ask the experts... and I'm NOT an expert ;D
Hey Jason, we all can learn from each other my friend. We are both teachers and students in this forum. I count myself lucky to benfit from your experience. I will check out he Framptone. Sounds interesting.
Post by JASON (aka jgleaton) on Feb 19, 2006 13:12:42 GMT -7
definitely still a student... I usually learn from my mistakes... most of the time..... and from you guy's on this forum... it's neat to see what others are doing and gives you ideas to try...
I don't think I would have ever went back and tried the GHIA again and then gotten one if it hadn't been for this forum... great amp, I love it.
BTW Arun, If you only need 2 outs the radial is GREAT!! I still use mine on a real simple board I set up for practice w/ the band when I use the GHIA cause it just doesn't need as much to drive it... because the FRAMPTONE switcher that only has the 2 outs doesn't have the separate tuner out FRAMPTONES three banger does...
not really stereo with the A/B boxes either, really kinda dual mono??... be interesting to see if anyone has run Z's in true stereo... and although I like amps that are NOT simialr run together.... like you said, with the stingray's (um I mean the Manta ray's) sound... it would have to be amazing in stereo.....
Would the fulltone Choralflange be the way to go as far as stereo goes? It has a switchable truebypass/buffer on it. Though when it is not on, does the signal still go to both amps? Stereoflanging would be really cool.
Most of those will have a passive split, the only problem is I find the signal loses punch when split (both amps sound a bit weak). A bit of boost in the splitter helps, I think the switchbone does this.
When i'm using pedals I use a VHT valvulator I, which has a clean isolated power supply for the pedals, and acts as a line booster. It has two outputs.
I put my Choralflange last in the chain when I know I'm using two amps. Normally, it's next to last, right before my volume pedal. I just swap their order when running stereo..
By the way, the Fulltone only works in true-bypass when you use it in mono. If you use it for stereo, you have to change the toggles to a buffered output. But trust me, this is what you *want* if you want your signal to be strong to both amps. The Choralflange has a WONDERFUL buffer, and splits the signal very evenly to the two outputs, which is more than I can say for other stereo effects I've used before-
I run two amps in stero all the time, its a great way to get a best of both worlds sound. I do it two ways: 1) Use the dual stereo outs from an effects box, like the POD, into two amps. Spread them apart , for good effect. 2) I have a Morley A/B splitter (about $50) . Plug the guitar in, and it has two outs ,one to each amp. You can use amp A, amp B, or both. Have fun.
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Post by steveinnashville on Mar 26, 2006 15:22:19 GMT -7
I had WOBO Guitar Electronics in Poland build a pedal I conjured up to handle 4 input signals and switching, loops and odd switching paths, tuner out, with buffered stereo outs with mixer controls for outputs, each of the 4 signals has a stomp switch to send it to each amp... one is a Z Ghia and the other is a POG->Walco Chord & Note Sustainer->Champ II->Leslie 120 cabinet for hammond organ emulation. They built me the crazy box to your left for $299, great work. Now I just need to cable everything... www.woboge.com ... you might have to hit "reload" on each page of their site, what can I say, it's Polish... j/k, they were great to work with every step of the way and drawing up mock diagrams for me to approve and double checking everything...
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Ive had some troubles with phase alignment running two given amps (only certain combinations though). Theres kind of a weird hollowness going on and a not real cohesive sound when using no effect. I think the radial switchbone has a phase switch? But ive yet to try it.
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I run two Maz amps, (or I did till I got my Stingray, so we'll see going forward)
Now I do not need to switch amps. All of my amps have an FX loop. So I do this just for tone shaping and overall volume needs.
So my signal goes like this, (BTW I checked with DR Z and no harm will come doing this):
Guitar to Furman SPB8 pedal board IN, (tuner, several OD's Distortions and Wah) to Maz 18 front.
Maz 18 FX out to pedal board FROM AMP to Choral Flange to Line 6 Echo Park. Then mono out of Echo Park back to FX return on pedal board back to Maz 18 FX return. The other out from Echo Park to the Maz 38 FX return. Yes you read it right. There is nothing plugged into the front of the Maz 38. If you do you get 60 Cycle hum.
Essentially this bypasses the tone circuit of the Maz 38. Only the Cut and Reverb are active. All your volume and tone shaping is done by the Maz 18. And yes you can reverse and use the 38 as the primary amp.
You will need to mic both amps, if that is what you do, and need a decent sound guy to be sure that you do not get phase cancellation issues.
Any way, that is just one more approach
Sometimes the silence between the notes is more important...
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