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Post by JumpMarine on Apr 20, 2009 21:40:44 GMT -7
Has anyone tried these out yet?
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Post by JumpMarine on Apr 26, 2009 14:54:52 GMT -7
No one?
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Post by mitch8686 on Apr 26, 2009 19:42:05 GMT -7
Send your question to Myles over in the "ask the experts" section or send him a PM. He's the man to ask. I'm kind of interested myself. For the price they're asking, I'd hope they are at least a little special.
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Post by bluez on May 2, 2009 9:38:26 GMT -7
I just bought a pair. Very nice indeed. I thought they were far superior to the JJ's that they replaced which were only 3 months old. I find the sound full and warm and less harshness in My Maz 18 JR.
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Post by zdogma on May 4, 2009 19:01:19 GMT -7
I just bought a pair. Very nice indeed. I thought they were far superior to the JJ's that they replaced which were only 3 months old. I find the sound full and warm and less harshness in My Maz 18 JR. Did you get them locally or at the Tube Store?
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Post by bluez on May 4, 2009 19:10:46 GMT -7
I got them at the Tube Store. So far so good. I am surprised at how much better they sound than the JJs. I've always had great luck with JJs and still think they are good tubes but I've found that the Gold Lion tubes have a more "hi-def" sound if that makes any sense. I'm usually pretty fussy about these things (much to the amusement of my bandmates) but I feel that these tubes were worth the money.
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Post by JumpMarine on Jun 28, 2009 13:20:49 GMT -7
Well, I'll know for myself in a few days as I just ordered a set from Doug's.
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Post by Telemanic on Jun 29, 2009 11:31:11 GMT -7
Do ya know who's manufactoring them?
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Post by JumpMarine on Jun 29, 2009 13:16:14 GMT -7
No idea other than they are being made in Russia.
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Post by myles on Jul 1, 2009 18:42:00 GMT -7
These are made in the New Sensor plant in Moscow. They are pretty decent.
Before you make a choice on these or JJ be sure to know how the two different tubes spec against each other. What I mean by that is ... assure that the set up have are a nice mid range (meet EL84 design spec) tube. If that is not the case with both types you are not comparing apples to apples.
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Post by JumpMarine on Jul 1, 2009 19:37:44 GMT -7
I put the set into my Rx Jr, swapping them for a known good set of JJ’s. Fired it up, taking it off standby after about a minute. They sounded beautiful, rich and warm retaining good headroom until around 2:00 on the Vol where it started to break up nicely and smoothly. This lasted about 5 minutes and then I got a high pitched squeal and I immediately put into standby. Took it off standby, the squeal was gone until I strummed a chord and it came right back. Did the same procedure a couple of more times and it replicated itself each time. The tone sounded thin with very little headroom at low volume unlike what it sounded like in the first 5 minutes of playing. I tapped on each of the preamps and didn’t get any rattles(5751, EF86, 5751). I tapped on the power tubes and one had a bad rattle that came through the amp. Powered down and reseated the tubes and put on the retainers back on. Did the same procedure of tapping and had the same thing happen. Swapped positions of the power tubes to make sure that it wasn’t the tube socket and the rattle followed the particular tube. I finally put the JJ’s back in and all of the problems disappeared. I think that I’m going to need replacement set.
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Post by myles on Jul 2, 2009 9:01:32 GMT -7
I put the set into my Rx Jr, swapping them for a known good set of JJ’s. Fired it up, taking it off standby after about a minute. They sounded beautiful, rich and warm retaining good headroom until around 2:00 on the Vol where it started to break up nicely and smoothly. This lasted about 5 minutes and then I got a high pitched squeal and I immediately put into standby. Took it off standby, the squeal was gone until I strummed a chord and it came right back. Did the same procedure a couple of more times and it replicated itself each time. The tone sounded thin with very little headroom at low volume unlike what it sounded like in the first 5 minutes of playing. I tapped on each of the preamps and didn’t get any rattles(5751, EF86, 5751). I tapped on the power tubes and one had a bad rattle that came through the amp. Powered down and reseated the tubes and put on the retainers back on. Did the same procedure of tapping and had the same thing happen. Swapped positions of the power tubes to make sure that it wasn’t the tube socket and the rattle followed the particular tube. I finally put the JJ’s back in and all of the problems disappeared. I think that I’m going to need replacement set. You have a bad set of output tubes. It can be a socket in some amps but this is very very rare ... usually the tube as it was in this case. This is very common with these tubes.
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Post by JumpMarine on Jul 2, 2009 19:45:57 GMT -7
Doug is sending out a new set, we'll see how that goes.
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Post by JumpMarine on Aug 11, 2009 9:01:45 GMT -7
A month later and I still don't have the replacement tubes from Doug. Kind of frustrating.
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Post by JumpMarine on Aug 20, 2009 19:20:01 GMT -7
Finally got the new tubes in and Doug threw in a free Ruby 12ax7ac5 HG. Popped them into the Maz and fired it up. It sounded beautiful, warmer than the JJ's or Gt's yet very chimey. The gain was smooth and very refined. This set lasted longer.........20 minutes and one of the 84's red plated. That's it for me with the Golden Lions, guess I'll be sticking with JJ's or TAD's from now on.
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Post by zdogma on Aug 21, 2009 5:38:51 GMT -7
Finally got the new tubes in and Doug threw in a free Ruby 12ax7ac5 HG. Popped them into the Maz and fired it up. It sounded beautiful, warmer than the JJ's or Gt's yet very chimey. The gain was smooth and very refined. This set lasted longer.........20 minutes and one of the 84's red plated. That's it for me with the Golden Lions, guess I'll be sticking with JJ's or TAD's from now on. That's pretty disappointing. Especially at the price they're asking.
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Post by thesjkexperience on Aug 21, 2009 8:07:18 GMT -7
Wow, thats crazy! I was going to check those out and luckily I saw this thread first. I also found out the GTs in my Carmen Ghia are actually JJ, so that saved a bunch of $ right there.
How would you compare the TADs to the JJs?
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Post by eggman on Sept 18, 2009 17:29:03 GMT -7
Howdy,
I wouldn't be averse to trying a set of Gold Lion EL84s, but if JJs are less exspensive and work just fine in my Ghia..my enthusiasm for them would be somewhat dampened.
Eggman
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Post by davemcc on Sept 25, 2009 8:46:50 GMT -7
Replaced the stock EL84s with Gold Lion in my MAZ Jr about a month ago. Had no problems at all. Amp sounds a lot better - a lot cleaner at higher volume. I find that the tonal differences of my guitars, or different pick-ups and tone settings are a lot more obvious. Only good things to say about these tubes.
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Post by myles on Sept 25, 2009 8:54:16 GMT -7
Replaced the stock EL84s with Gold Lion in my MAZ Jr about a month ago. Had no problems at all. Amp sounds a lot better - a lot cleaner at higher volume. I find that the tonal differences of my guitars, or different pick-ups and tone settings are a lot more obvious. Only good things to say about these tubes. Don't get fooled ... cleaner at higher volumes means nothing more than a set of tubes with higher plate current ... just a stronger set. Always compare apples to apples.
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Post by JumpMarine on Oct 1, 2009 14:10:03 GMT -7
I'm still waiting for a status update on the second set of tubes that I returned in late August. I'm not one to say bad things about a dealer, but this has gotten pretty ridiculous as I've been waiting for a good set of tubes since June. So now I don't have the tubes and am out $50 + shipping x's 3. What would you guys do?
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Post by "Z" Steve on Oct 1, 2009 19:39:43 GMT -7
Are you communicating by email or by phone? I'd try to get a live body on the phone and get a status or an answer of some kind that way, then you know exactly where you stand and you can ask more questions if needed. Hopefully Doug has an 800 or toll free #
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Post by JumpMarine on Oct 2, 2009 6:44:54 GMT -7
Got ahold of Doug and there was a huge miscommunication on both our ends. He was waiting for me to tell him what I wanted to replace the GL's with and I was waiting to hear from him on what my options were. All is well and I'm going to grab me a Jan Phillips 12ax7 wa for the V1 in my Maz. Doug is a stand up guy and I will surly do more business with him in the future.
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Post by eggman on Feb 13, 2010 16:07:18 GMT -7
Howdy,
I'm gonna pull the trigger on a new duet of EL84s soon, so I'm giving this thread a selfish "bump". Anyone else try NOS , Mullard re-issue or the pricey Genelex Gold Lions?
Eggman
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 23:10:58 GMT -7
Howdy, I'm gonna pull the trigger on a new duet of EL84s soon, so I'm giving this thread a selfish "bump". Anyone else try NOS , Mullard re-issue or the pricey Genelex Gold Lions? Eggman I've vever tried the Mullards. I did just buy a set of el84s from Doug's. Talked to him on the phone and he never mentioned the GLs when I inquired about new el84s. The only GLs I've heard anything good about so far are the KT66s.
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Post by myles on Feb 14, 2010 9:36:43 GMT -7
These Gold Lion EL84s are just another Sovtek EL84 and I personally prefer the JJ EL84 but ... in the end it is all personal taste and preference so let us know how you like them.
I have found these to have a shorter life than the JJ as a side note but I also tend to change EL84 tubes very often as Buddy Whittington knows ;D
I also found them to be quite pricy compared to most others but that may just be at certain vendors. $55 for a matched pair is pretty steep for a tube with a 50 hour service life before it starts to wear fast and has lost 20%. A JJ duet is $20-$22 or so.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2010 18:19:51 GMT -7
These Gold Lion EL84s are just another Sovtek EL84 and I personally prefer the JJ EL84 but ... in the end it is all personal taste and preference so let us know how you like them. I have found these to have a shorter life than the JJ as a side note but I also tend to change EL84 tubes very often as Buddy Whittington knows ;D I also found them to be quite pricy compared to most others but that may just be at certain vendors. $55 for a matched pair is pretty steep for a tube with a 50 hour service life before it starts to wear fast and has lost 20%. A JJ duet is $20-$22 or so. So good to have you around Myles. This really helps me with my next order.
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Post by myles on Feb 17, 2010 21:27:28 GMT -7
These Gold Lion EL84s are just another Sovtek EL84 and I personally prefer the JJ EL84 but ... in the end it is all personal taste and preference so let us know how you like them. I have found these to have a shorter life than the JJ as a side note but I also tend to change EL84 tubes very often as Buddy Whittington knows ;D I also found them to be quite pricy compared to most others but that may just be at certain vendors. $55 for a matched pair is pretty steep for a tube with a 50 hour service life before it starts to wear fast and has lost 20%. A JJ duet is $20-$22 or so. So good to have you around Myles. This really helps me with my next order. You are more than welcome
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Post by slivjakm on Aug 23, 2010 17:27:40 GMT -7
I'll add my experience with the Gold Lions. Got a pair before reading this thread, and never had an occasion to use them until recently. Put them into a Maz 18 NR and they were fine for a few hours, then started to cut out on me. Wouldn't buy again.
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Post by jimmysmith on Aug 23, 2010 19:29:17 GMT -7
sp glad to hear this thread,, i was going to try a set for a morgan vox type 2 el84 amp i am getting used. i will stick to jj's. never had problems with them froma certain vendor. i will chime in on my experience on the new production Tung-Sol el34Bs, put the set in and the bias kept creeping up, kept at it, got it to stop at 32 or so, played it for an hour or more, checked bias again the next day , it had crept back up higher, so i biased it to 32 again and one of them was definitely bad, thin and fizzy, thought i had a bad guitar cable or spkr,, but sent em back, the vendor said "it must have happened in shipping", well, he sent out another set, it biased up just right and they sound great,, i am going to stick to jj's for most tubes. expecially el84s,, thanks guys, and myles,,
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